Anti-Semitism: What to do?

[Tuthina]

I think the lesson learnt is that just because you hate a group of people does not mean killing them all is a good idea. Given the questions proposed by the survey, I think most are less about hating Jews and more about not liking their strong international presense lingering from the whole holocaust thing. To be fair, if I am to take the same survey, chances are I would be on the list of antisemites despite not holding hatred towards the entire ethnicity.

It could merely be about the grossly disproportionate amount of wealth and influence their people command, nothing to do with their beliefs, skin color anything intrinsically linked to "racism".

That is my point. I don't think there are distinctive skin colour for Jews anyway.

I think the lesson learnt is that just because you hate a group of people does not mean killing them all is a good idea. Given the questions proposed by the survey, I think most are less about hating Jews and more about not liking their strong international presense lingering from the whole holocaust thing. To be fair, if I am to take the same survey, chances are I would be on the list of antisemites despite not holding hatred towards the entire ethnicity.

I don't know. The dislike, the hate, is still there. Fan the fires enough and we get another debacle. Of course, I do hope we learned the lesson, like you said.

Disliking people not of our group is a human nature. I do not think it is too much a problem until people start gassing them again. Personally, if they continue to complain about antisemitism as if billions are still trying to wipe them off the face of the planet, I would be pretty annoyed as well.

[Gauthier]

We need to round up all the antisemites and ship them off to camps. *nod*

[Yumyumsuppertime]

We need to round up all the antisemites and ship them off to camps. *nod*

Yes, but having to feed and and shelter all of them would be prohibitively expensive, even on starvation rations. We need a more permanent answer. A final solution, if you will.

[Libertarian California]

Hey goy, you didn't forget about the six million did you?

Oy vey

But, having found the actual questions, most of them are indeed biased.

Do jews have a presence in the media above their population weight. Yes, quite a few news outlets in the West are owned by Jews, given that they make up less that one percent of the population (Michael Eisner, Gerald Levin, Bob Iger, etc)

Are jews more loyal to israel? Probably. Every single jew I've met (a considerable number, since I live next to a Synagogue) has been a Zionist, and usually are more informed of israeli issues than Canadian

Are jews more represented in the Business world? Rothschilds say hello

Didn't Joe Biden say how Jews have disproportionally been behind many social movements?

[Geilinor]

Oy vey

But, having found the actual questions, most of them are indeed biased.

Do jews have a presence in the media above their population weight. Yes, quite a few news outlets in the West are owned by Jews, given that they make up less that one percent of the population (Michael Eisner, Gerald Levin, Bob Iger, etc)

Are jews more loyal to israel? Probably. Every single jew I've met (a considerable number, since I live next to a Synagogue) has been a Zionist, and usually are more informed of israeli issues than Canadian

Are jews more represented in the Business world? Rothschilds say hello

Didn't Joe Biden say how Jews have disproportionally been behind many social movements?

That's not a bad thing. It sounds like a compliment.

[Western European Republic]

The following are quotes from Sartre's "Anti-Semite and Jew". It should be very informative about certain nations who post vile, anti-Semitic things, like the Free Regime.

"The anti-Semite readily admits that the Jew is intelligent and hard-working; he will even confess himself inferior in these respects. This concession costs him nothing, for he has, as it were, put those qualities in parentheses. Or rather they derive their value from the one who possesses them: the more virtues the Jew has the more dangerous he will be. The anti-Semite has no illusions about what he is. He considers himself an average man, modestly average, basically mediocre. There is no example of an anti-Semite's claiming individual superiority over the Jews. But you must not think that he is ashamed of his mediocrity; he takes pleasure in it; I will even assert that he has chosen it. This man fears every kind of solitariness, that of the genius as much as that of the murderer; he is the man of the crowd. However small his stature, he takes every precaution to make it smaller, lest he stand out from the herd and find himself face to face with himself. He has made himself an anti-Semite because that is something one cannot be alone. The phrase, "I hate the Jews," is one that is uttered in chorus; in pronouncing it, one attaches himself to a tradition and to a community — the tradition and community of the mediocre.

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We are now in a position to understand the anti-Semite. He is a man who is afraid. Not of the Jews, to be sure, but of himself, of his own consciousness, of his liberty, of his instincts, of his responsibilities, of solitariness, of change, of society, and of the world — of everything except the Jews. He is a coward who does not want to admit his cowardice to himself ; a murderer who represses and censures his tendency to murder without being able to hold it back, yet who dares to kill only in effigy or protected by the anonymity of the mob; a malcontent who dares not revolt from fear of the consequences of his rebellion. In espousing Antisemitism, he does not simply adopt an opinion, he chooses himself as a person. He chooses the permanence and impenetrability of stone, the total irresponsibility of the warrior who obeys his leaders — and he has no leader. He chooses to acquire nothing, to deserve nothing; be assumes that everything is given him as his birthright-and he is not noble. He chooses finally a Good that is fixed once and for all, beyond question, out of reach; he dares not examine it for fear of being led to challenge it and having to seek it in another form. The Jew only serves him as a pretext; elsewhere his counterpart will make use of the Negro or the man of yellow skin. The existence of the Jew merely permits the anti-Semite to stifle his anxieties at their inception by persuading himself that his place in the world has been marked out in advance, that it awaits him, and that tradition gives him the right to occupy it. Antisemitism, in short, is fear of the human condition. The anti-Semite is a man who wishes to be pitiless stone, a furious torrent, a devastating thunderbolt-anything except a man."

[Vazdania]

As a humble Noahide, I find these results shocking.

[Nekoargentina]

That's not a bad thing. It sounds like a compliment.

Compliments based on ethnicity are also kinda racist, though, even if the intention behind them is good. Judging people based on their ethnic group or religion, rather than on their individual merits, is pretty much the definition of prejudice.

I'm not saying this is what Biden did - I would have to hear the actual phrase he said and understand the context (which is harder since I don't live in the US) - but my point stands.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

That's not a bad thing. It sounds like a compliment.

Compliments based on ethnicity are also kinda racist, though, even if the intention behind them is good. Judging people based on their ethnic group or religion, rather than on their individual merits, is pretty much the definition of prejudice.

I'm not saying this is what Biden did - I would have to hear the actual phrase he said and understand the context (which is harder since I don't live in the US) - but my point stands.

It isn't, it is simply stating the fact that many Jews were behind progressive movements (historically verifiable), not that to be Jewish means to be a progressive. It is like stating a fact about demographic (Many Californians vote democrat) without having to actually use that as a generalization (Californians vote democrat).

[Nekoargentina]

It isn't, it is simply stating the fact that many Jews were behind progressive movements (historically verifiable), not that to be Jewish means to be a progressive. It is like stating a fact about demographic (Many Californians vote democrat) without having to actually use that as a generalization (Californians vote democrat).

Again, I didn't hear the Biden phrase, and I don't know the context, so I'm not judging that.
I was just making a random point about ethnically-based "compliments". People should always be judged as individuals.

I agree with you, though. Stating verifiable historical facts is obviously OK.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

You know something funny? Laos has an antisemitism rate of 0.2% of the population there. Am I the only one who finds it funny that a tiny, undeveloped country in Asia has almost no antisemitism whatsoever, while Europe, a prosperous and highly developed continent, has almost universally a fourth to a third of the population be antisemitic?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You know something funny? Laos has an antisemitism rate of 0.2% of the population there. Am I the only one who finds it funny that a tiny, undeveloped country in Asia has almost no antisemitism whatsoever, while Europe, a prosperous and highly developed continent, has almost universally a fourth to a third of the population be antisemitic?

It's quite normal, then. How many Jews live in Laos? Historically, has Laos had a big Jewish community? If the answer is no, it makes sense then that antisemitism is almost non existent there. Whereas in Europe, there has been a huge history of antisemitism stemming back to the Middle Ages and before.

[The Nihilistic view]

This thread makes me shake my head in shame. People from Stormfront must be here, perhaps they should scurry back over to their southern, white lunatic david-duke loving website.

You know, I hate to break this to you but not everyone from the South/loves the South is a bigot nor is every bigot from the South nor is everyone on Stormfront from the South (trust me, I spent a good share of my time trolling that site at one point).


Anyway, I'm rather shocked that Canada did so poorly, and also rather shocked that in the UK atheists seem to be more prejudiced than Christians.

Really? I'm not. I think that view has more to do with your own perception of Anglicanism than any basis in reality.

I'm not a christian (as you can probably tell) but I can understand why they are less bigoted towards another religion on the whole. Anglicanism is probably the most benign and docile form of Christianity and with the rise of militant atheism in the west it is from my own experiences an expected result. I have come across far more atheists that believe religion should be wiped out than I have Anglicans that believe that other should be. I would go as far as to say I have never come across an Anglican that advocates the elimination of those of other religions or religious races. Many militant atheists would more than likely be classed as or come across as anti-Semites.

[Murkwood]

For the last time, Israel was invaded. Israel doesn't just walk around going "I want that territory" and declare war. All of Israel's territorial gains came from victories in war.

Boo fucking hoo, the Arabs attacked Israel a few times.

The Sinai War, the Six-Day War, and First and Second Lebanon Wars were all started by Israel. Was Israel invaded in those wars? No, they were the ones fucking invading, they were the aggressors, and they were the ones instigating war.

Just because the Middle Eastern states have launched a few attacks on Israel doesn't justify Israel directly attacking their neighbors.

Again, the Six Day War was going to happen no matter what. There's border security, and then there is preparing for an invasion. Egypt fell into that second camp.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Again, the Six Day War was going to happen no matter what. There's border security, and then there is preparing for an invasion. Egypt fell into that second camp.

1: Do you have any evidence to support this claim?
2: Even if Egypt was supposedly going to invade Israel, they doesn't justify Israel's two invasions of Lebanon, which were both completely instigated by the Israelis.

[Imperializt Russia]

Kill them all.

For legal reasons, I am obliged to state this is not my official opinion on the matter.
For further clarity, I was suggesting we kill anti-semites. Not the Jews.

[Imperializt Russia]

For the last time, Israel was invaded. Israel doesn't just walk around going "I want that territory" and declare war. All of Israel's territorial gains came from victories in war.

Boo fucking hoo, the Arabs attacked Israel a few times.

The Sinai War, the Six-Day War, and First and Second Lebanon Wars were all started by Israel. Was Israel invaded in those wars? No, they were the ones fucking invading, they were the aggressors, and they were the ones instigating war.

Just because the Middle Eastern states have launched a few attacks on Israel doesn't justify Israel directly attacking their neighbors.

Yeah, Israel did so much invading through those sand dune obstacles and trench lines they built to face Egypt. They did so much invading the Egyptians had to bring in water cannons to bring down the Sinai defensive line.

Oh fucking wait.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Yeah, Israel did so much invading through those sand dune obstacles and trench lines they built to face Egypt. They did so much invading the Egyptians had to bring in water cannons to bring down the Sinai defensive line.

Oh fucking wait.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

Israel fucking invaded and occupied Sinai, and anyone who knows jack about the Six-Day War would know that.

[The Nihilistic view]

Boo fucking hoo, the Arabs attacked Israel a few times.

The Sinai War, the Six-Day War, and First and Second Lebanon Wars were all started by Israel. Was Israel invaded in those wars? No, they were the ones fucking invading, they were the aggressors, and they were the ones instigating war.

Just because the Middle Eastern states have launched a few attacks on Israel doesn't justify Israel directly attacking their neighbors.

Yeah, Israel did so much invading through those sand dune obstacles and trench lines they built to face Egypt. They did so much invading the Egyptians had to bring in water cannons to bring down the Sinai defensive line.

Oh fucking wait.

.....Oh fucking wait, they had already done the invading of the Sinai in their last -definitely did not invade Egypt- war.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yeah, Israel did so much invading through those sand dune obstacles and trench lines they built to face Egypt. They did so much invading the Egyptians had to bring in water cannons to bring down the Sinai defensive line.

Oh fucking wait.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

Israel fucking invaded and occupied Sinai, and anyone who knows jack about the Six-Day War would know that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Day_Wa ... 80.93Egypt
Egypt expelled the UN from the demilitarised Sinai Peninsula and occupied it themselves first.

Further:

In 1967 Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or a justification for war.[85][86] On May 22, Nasser declared the Straits closed to Israeli shipping.

I think I confused the events of this conflict for the Yom Kippur War.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

I think I confused the events of this conflict for the Yom Kippur War.

That would make sense, since Israel was the aggressor in the Six Day War and Egypt the aggressor in the Yom Kippur War.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think I confused the events of this conflict for the Yom Kippur War.

That would make sense, since Israel was the aggressor in the Six Day War and Egypt the aggressor in the Yom Kippur War.

Then I definitely confused the two events and would like to apologise.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Then I definitely confused the two events and would like to apologise.

It's all good, nothing to worry about. All the wars in the Middle East are pretty much the same, so it's pretty easy to confuse one for the other.

[Murkwood]

You know something funny? Laos has an antisemitism rate of 0.2% of the population there. Am I the only one who finds it funny that a tiny, undeveloped country in Asia has almost no antisemitism whatsoever, while Europe, a prosperous and highly developed continent, has almost universally a fourth to a third of the population be antisemitic?

As I said, Laos is too poor to care.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

As I said, Laos is too poor to care.

Africa is even poorer than Asia, yet it still has pretty high percentages of antisemitic people. Poverty doesn't get rid of antisemitism; someone with no money can hate Jews just as much as someone with tons of money.