The Official 2014 FIFA World Cup Thread

by **Calimera II** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:11 pm

Croatia should have won.

by **Constaniana** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:19 pm

Calimera II wrote:Croatia should have won.

by **Caverna** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:04 pm

I was hoping to see enjoyable match but all I could see was referee.

by **Polkopia** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:09 pm

Caverna wrote:I was hoping to see enjoyable match but all I could see was referee.

This.

Should've been 2-2 imo. A goal was disallowed for Croatia after a questionable "foul" on the keeper and a penalty given to Brazil that was clearly a dive by Fred. Neither should've happened.

by **Bundabunda** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:21 pm

To be fair, it was an enjoyable match. Croatia played their hearts out. That midfield of Rakitic, Modric and Kovacic is lethal.

by **Caverna** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:22 pm

Bundabunda wrote:To be fair, it was an enjoyable match. Croatia played their hearts out. That midfield of Rakitic, Modric and Kovacic is lethal.

I think Mandzukic would have made a difference. Many crosses that Mandzukic could have finished with head were unfinished.

by **Britcan** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:24 pm

Caverna wrote:
Bundabunda wrote:To be fair, it was an enjoyable match. Croatia played their hearts out. That midfield of Rakitic, Modric and Kovacic is lethal.

I think Mandzukic would have made a difference. Many crosses that Mandzukic could have finished with head were unfinished.

They're also missing Kranjcar due to injury, which is unfortunate.

by **Nierr** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:37 pm

I don't see how that disallowed goal was anything but a foul. The Croatian has led with his arm. As for the penalty... if you're going to put your hands around a player in the box, that's a foul anyway, no matter whether Fred goes down or not.

by **UED** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:41 pm

Yeah go South Korea!
We gonna pwn Russia and Belgium and then go fly off to win the world cup somehow!

by **Polkopia** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:01 am

UED wrote:Yeah go South Korea!
We gonna pwn Russia and Belgium and then go fly off to win the world cup somehow!

Russia >

by **The Archregimancy** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:04 am

Nierr wrote:I don't see how that disallowed goal was anything but a foul. The Croatian has led with his arm. As for the penalty... if you're going to put your hands around a player in the box, that's a foul anyway, no matter whether Fred goes down or not.

I thought the penalty was soft. I don't think it was the most egregious refereeing error in the history of football, but it was soft, and I understand why Croats feel aggrieved there.

The "disallowed goal", though... the referee had blown the whistle and play had stopped well before the shot was taken (assuming we're all talking about the same incident). There might be some scope for good faith disagreement over whether the initial foul should have been given, but describing it as a 'disallowed goal' is misleading; I think so, anyway.

And I still think Croatia's goalkeeper should have saved the first and third goals.

I think the final scoreline was harsh on Croatia, but I still think Brazil deserved to win on balance; though 2-1.

by **Risottia** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:05 am

Calimera II wrote:Croatia should have won.

Won, dunno - it's not like they were that active in their attack zone - but surely Brazil didn't deserve a victory: they constantly dived begging for fouls and cards. Their penalty was absolutely bollocks (no foul and irregular shot), and the action of their third goal started with a foul in the midfield. Plus, we could argue that Neymar should have been sent off way before the penalty.

by **Risottia** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:08 am

New Koryo wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Feinting is admitted. Stopping mid-way and resuming the run isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_kick#Procedure

He didn't come to a complete halt, he only delayed his last left step.

Dude, he started tap-dancing ON THE SPOT. That's a complete halt.

by **Relikai** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:21 am

Fred dived. It was a pushing motion, and he looked like he got Petrificius-Totalised onto Lovren.

Disallowed goal is disallowed. His arm impeded the keeper before he won the ball so the foul was committed before winning the ball, which was before scoring the goal.

by **Priory Academy USSR** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:46 am

While I'm not totally behind the sentiment, this has to be my favourite summary of the match.

by **Patistan** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:07 am

Risottia wrote:
New Koryo wrote:He didn't come to a complete halt, he only delayed his last left step.

Dude, he started tap-dancing ON THE SPOT. That's a complete halt.

Exactly he did start "tap-dancing" but nonetheless It was used to confuse Petikosa and that is permitted.

by **Degenerate Heart of HetRio** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:17 am

World Cup as expected and warned is bringing shame to my nation's name, yes or obviously?

by **Caverna** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:24 am

Patistan wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Dude, he started tap-dancing ON THE SPOT. That's a complete halt.

Exactly he did start "tap-dancing" but nonetheless It was used to confuse Petikosa and that is permitted.

Petikosa wasn't even confused by Neymar so called footwork. Petikosa got hands on ball but was just unlucky.

by **Risottia** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:52 am

Patistan wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Dude, he started tap-dancing ON THE SPOT. That's a complete halt.

Exactly he did start "tap-dancing" but nonetheless It was used to confuse Petikosa and that is permitted.

Not if you do on the spot after starting the run. Changing pace while STILL running is allowed. Running on the spot isn't.

by **Scholmeria** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:12 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:World Cup as expected and warned is bringing shame to my nation's name, yes or obviously?

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by **Risottia** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:19 am

Caverna wrote:Petikosa wasn't even confused by Neymar so called footwork. Petikosa got hands on ball but was just unlucky.

That too. The Croatian goalie didn't offer a great performance overall, but that was really shitty luck.

by **Scholmeria** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:24 am

Pletikosa should go to retirement. Subasic is a goalkepeer in Monaco and should replace him.

by **Osarius** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:27 am

Nierr wrote:As for the penalty... if you're going to put your hands around a player in the box, that's a foul anyway, no matter whether Fred goes down or not.

Basically. Maybe I'm a bit harsh, but I think the defender only has himself to blame in situations like this.

That doesn't excuse diving, though, obviously.
I personally think if someone should be blamed for "ruining the game", it's Fred. He was the one who cheated, not the ref.

I don't blame the ref at all. I mean, at full speed, in the heat of the moment, with subconscious bias perhaps acting on your thoughts, what do people expect? Without the benefit of replays, it was entirely reasonable to think he was pulled down. My immediate reaction was "hmm... not sure" it wasn't until I saw the replay that I could say "nah, that's not a penalty".

Risottia wrote:Changing pace while STILL running is allowed. Running on the spot isn't.

He was still moving forward. Just very slowly, with those weird shuffle steps. There was nothing wrong with the penalty, imo.

by **Risottia** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:31 am

Osarius wrote:
Risottia wrote:Changing pace while STILL running is allowed. Running on the spot isn't.

He was still moving forward. Just very slowly, with those weird shuffle steps. There was nothing wrong with the penalty, imo.

Meh meh meh.

by **Patistan** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:10 am

Risottia wrote:
Osarius wrote:He was still moving forward. Just very slowly, with those weird shuffle steps. There was nothing wrong with the penalty, imo.

Meh meh meh.

You mean Tap Dancing

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