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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:41 pm

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Draica wrote:Absoloutely disgusting. I cannot believe people on this site are justifying this trash.

Then again, many people here are liberals.

Actually left-wingers, but never mind. It is just that most of them would not go on public because the silent majority would think they are crazy, so they all go to NSG.

What about Libertarians and Anarchists, also pro choice?

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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:41 pm

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Merizoc wrote:That's a bit far. You make it sound like you're blaming the fetus for being there when you say it has no right to your body.

It doesn't matter how it got there or why it is there - it does not get to use my body without my permission under any circumstance.

It's incapable of asking for that permission. I'm all for abortion being legalized, but blame shouldn't go to the fetus. It's not its fault.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:42 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:I dOnT cArE iF iTs A hUmAn Or A pErSoN.
It has no right to my body


I agree with you on that.

I mean, they would have a better argument if their argument wasn't "a human being is made at conception". At least they wouldn't be so intellectually dishonest.

However, the point would still stand though.

The entire point they have but refuse to say is, "I'm upset that you had sex. Now I'm going to force you into birth slavery."
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:42 pm

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Korouse wrote:So now it's about the physical ability now? Let me ask you this, could you kill a pre-mature baby because it's not fully developed?

A pre-mature baby has the ability to think and feel pain.

http://www.livescience.com/15975-babies ... -pain.html
By the studies shown there, you can kill a week-old baby because it doesn't feel pain.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:42 pm

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Draica wrote:Absoloutely disgusting. I cannot believe people on this site are justifying this trash.

Then again, many people here are liberals.

Actually left-wingers, but never mind. It is just that most of them would not go on public because the silent majority would think they are crazy, so they all go to NSG.


Actually, I'm openly pro-choice in public. Even my girlfriend knows I am pro-choice.

Stop poisoning the well.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:43 pm

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Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:It doesn't matter how it got there or why it is there - it does not get to use my body without my permission under any circumstance.

It's incapable of asking for that permission. I'm all for abortion being legalized, but blame shouldn't go to the fetus. It's not its fault.

Not blaming the fetus.
It has no malicious intent.
But just because it is generally benign doesn't mean it gets to be inside of me if I do not wish for it to be there.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:43 pm

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Merizoc wrote:It didn't choose to be there either.

Doesn't matter. You didint consent to have it in your body. You get the right to remove it.

Of course you do. But we shouldn't place the blame towards the fetus. It's like placing the blame on a rock that someone threw through your window. You have every right to throw the rock out of your house, but don't blame it for being there.

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Postby Helvagon » Thu May 08, 2014 1:43 pm

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Helvagon wrote:Look at this. These are the requirements for something to be alive: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm

Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)

Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.


They will be able to reproduce someday (I was thinking of adding a "like you" but...)
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Postby Scholmeria » Thu May 08, 2014 1:44 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:Actually left-wingers, but never mind. It is just that most of them would not go on public because the silent majority would think they are crazy, so they all go to NSG.

What about Libertarians and Anarchists, also pro choice?

To be fair, I dont know, it is just that it does not bothers me.

What is more important is that at least in Europe people are getting enough from this cultural Marxism.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:45 pm

Helvagon wrote:
Korouse wrote:Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.


They will be able to reproduce someday (I was thinking of adding a "like you" but...)

Well, that was pretty random...
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:45 pm

Helvagon wrote:
Korouse wrote:Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.


They will be able to reproduce someday (I was thinking of adding a "like you" but...)


Potentiality of human life =/= actual human life.
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Postby Scholmeria » Thu May 08, 2014 1:46 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:Actually left-wingers, but never mind. It is just that most of them would not go on public because the silent majority would think they are crazy, so they all go to NSG.


Actually, I'm openly pro-choice in public. Even my girlfriend knows I am pro-choice.

Stop poisoning the well.

Well, i dont count openly gay neighbourhoods or where the "open-minded" people are gathering
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Postby Juristonia » Thu May 08, 2014 1:46 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What about Libertarians and Anarchists, also pro choice?

To be fair, I dont know, it is just that it does not bothers me.

What is more important is that at least in Europe people are getting enough from this cultural Marxism.


We must live in different Europes.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:47 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Helvagon wrote:
They will be able to reproduce someday (I was thinking of adding a "like you" but...)


Potentiality of human life =/= actual human life.

Again, what about 8 year olds, how about we kill them because they can't reproduce? How about we kill those who can't feel pain because of a disease? How about we kill the braindead people on life support? What about people in a coma?
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:48 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Actually, I'm openly pro-choice in public. Even my girlfriend knows I am pro-choice.

Stop poisoning the well.

Well, i dont count openly gay neighbourhoods or where the "open-minded" people are gathering

"openly gay neighborhoods"? A neighborhood is incapable of sexual orientation. It cannot be gay. :p

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:48 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What about Libertarians and Anarchists, also pro choice?

To be fair, I dont know, it is just that it does not bothers me.

What is more important is that at least in Europe people are getting enough from this cultural Marxism.

Cultural Marxism? :blink:

The hell?

It's cultural liberalism, as opposed to cultural conservatism. Marxism is an economic theory.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:48 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What about Libertarians and Anarchists, also pro choice?

To be fair, I dont know, it is just that it does not bothers me.

What is more important is that at least in Europe people are getting enough from this cultural Marxism.


"Cultural Marxism" is pure anti-thought newspeak.

And I am proudly publicly pro-choice, because it is absolutely immoral and sexist to deny women the right to remove unwanted parasites from their body, especially for theocratic reasons.
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Postby Helvagon » Thu May 08, 2014 1:49 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Helvagon wrote:
They will be able to reproduce someday (I was thinking of adding a "like you" but...)


Potentiality of human life =/= actual human life.


How?
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:49 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Potentiality of human life =/= actual human life.

Again, what about 8 year olds, how about we kill them because they can't reproduce? How about we kill those who can't feel pain because of a disease? How about we kill the braindead people on life support? What about people in a coma?

We often do drop people's life support. It's a serious issue, but not one related to abortion.

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Postby The Rhomaion » Thu May 08, 2014 1:49 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What about Libertarians and Anarchists, also pro choice?

To be fair, I dont know, it is just that it does not bothers me.

What is more important is that at least in Europe people are getting enough from this cultural Marxism.


There are so many people in Europe shouting about "cultural Marxism" these days that it kind of makes me wonder who's left to propagate "cultural Marxism".
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Postby Scholmeria » Thu May 08, 2014 1:49 pm

Juristonia wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:To be fair, I dont know, it is just that it does not bothers me.

What is more important is that at least in Europe people are getting enough from this cultural Marxism.


We must live in different Europes.

Possible. Europe will never be a country, the faster the EU leaders face that fact the less harmer will be. The whole idea will other progressive BS will also disapear or at least it will stop being imposed on countries that does not want it.
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Postby Nickel Empire » Thu May 08, 2014 1:50 pm

People should have their own choice on what they do with their child. :)
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:50 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Potentiality of human life =/= actual human life.

Again, what about 8 year olds, how about we kill them because they can't reproduce? How about we kill those who can't feel pain because of a disease? How about we kill the braindead people on life support? What about people in a coma?


You are just moving the goalposts because you have been proven wrong more than once.

The point is that the fetus, before it even has a heartbeat, developed organs, or developed brain function are not human. They are just cells.

After they have reached that level of maturity they are recognized for all intent and purposes as human biologically. Your argument about 8 year olds, people on a coma, and brain dead people along with the people who cannot feel pain are sincerely pointless.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:51 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Korouse wrote:Again, what about 8 year olds, how about we kill them because they can't reproduce? How about we kill those who can't feel pain because of a disease? How about we kill the braindead people on life support? What about people in a coma?

We often do drop people's life support. It's a serious issue, but not one related to abortion.

What about people in comas? They have chances of recovering, but since they're technically not people anymore because they can't communicate anymore, we can kill them.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:51 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:To be fair, I dont know, it is just that it does not bothers me.

What is more important is that at least in Europe people are getting enough from this cultural Marxism.


"Cultural Marxism" is pure anti-thought newspeak.

And I am proudly publicly pro-choice, because it is absolutely immoral and sexist to deny women the right to remove unwanted parasites from their body, especially for theocratic reasons.

A fetus isn't a parasite.

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