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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:33 pm

Korouse wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060108.html

I cite you this. It was enforced before. Didn't work. And you have no proof it would work. Developing world? Still has abortions. Chile, a relatively developed nation where abortion is illegal? Still happens.

Chile is not a developed country whatsoever. And, I said enforced properly, if it's still happening a lot, it's not enforced properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile

Really, a human development rating of .819 isn't developed? Hmm, yeah, no.

Secondly, you're partially right, it's not just about legal abortion, it's about reducing poverty and increasing sex education.

Thirdly, http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_text ... nthood.htm[/quote]
Um, waiting for rebuttal...
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Postby Olthar » Thu May 08, 2014 1:33 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Korouse wrote:They're still alive :)

Not when they're dead
Olthar wrote:
Korouse wrote:They're still alive :)

Not when they're dead.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:34 pm

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Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Not when they're dead
Olthar wrote:Not when they're dead.

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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:34 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Korouse wrote:They're still alive :)


Explain how a dead fetus isn't alive and may not cause a woman sepsis in the uterus.

Also, like I said, life in the most biological of sense it is. However it is not a human being, it is a bunch of human cells, hence there isn't a need to protect it since it isn't a person.


So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:35 pm

Korouse wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Explain how a dead fetus isn't alive and may not cause a woman sepsis in the uterus.

Also, like I said, life in the most biological of sense it is. However it is not a human being, it is a bunch of human cells, hence there isn't a need to protect it since it isn't a person.


So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:35 pm

Korouse wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Explain how a dead fetus isn't alive and may not cause a woman sepsis in the uterus.

Also, like I said, life in the most biological of sense it is. However it is not a human being, it is a bunch of human cells, hence there isn't a need to protect it since it isn't a person.


So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?


We're talking about fetuses and human beings. I do not see how dogs are relevant to this conversation.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:36 pm

Korouse wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Explain how a dead fetus isn't alive and may not cause a woman sepsis in the uterus.

Also, like I said, life in the most biological of sense it is. However it is not a human being, it is a bunch of human cells, hence there isn't a need to protect it since it isn't a person.


So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?

Most animals are capable of more thought and sensory input than a fetus.

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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:37 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Korouse wrote:Chile is not a developed country whatsoever. And, I said enforced properly, if it's still happening a lot, it's not enforced properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile

Really, a human development rating of .819 isn't developed? Hmm, yeah, no.

Secondly, you're partially right, it's not just about legal abortion, it's about reducing poverty and increasing sex education.

Thirdly, http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_text ... nthood.htm

Um, waiting for rebuttal...[/quote]
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:37 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Korouse wrote:
So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?

I dOnT cArE iF iTs A hUmAn Or A pErSoN.
It has no right to my body


I agree with you on that.

I mean, they would have a better argument if their argument wasn't "a human being is made at conception". At least they wouldn't be so intellectually dishonest.

However, the point would still stand though.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:37 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Korouse wrote:
So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?

I dOnT cArE iF iTs A hUmAn Or A pErSoN.
It has no right to my body

That's a bit far. You make it sound like you're blaming the fetus for being there when you say it has no right to your body.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:37 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Korouse wrote:
So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?

Most animals are capable of more thought and sensory input than a fetus.


And most animals are also not parasitic.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:38 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile

Really, a human development rating of .819 isn't developed? Hmm, yeah, no.

Secondly, you're partially right, it's not just about legal abortion, it's about reducing poverty and increasing sex education.

Thirdly, http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_text ... nthood.htm
Um, waiting for rebuttal...

What do you want me to reply to? Lol..
This isn't about how much Chile is developed.

Yes it is. You claimed it wasn't. Why do you deny your own argument. Did you read the other two pieces I contributed? Stop being willfully ignorant.

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Postby Pandeeria » Thu May 08, 2014 1:38 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:I dOnT cArE iF iTs A hUmAn Or A pErSoN.
It has no right to my body

That's a bit far. You make it sound like you're blaming the fetus for being there when you say it has no right to your body.


Well, you didn't consent to have the fetus be there.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:38 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Korouse wrote:
So, it's what YOU describe as a person? So, should we not protect animals then?

Most animals are capable of more thought and sensory input than a fetus.

So now it's about the physical ability now? Let me ask you this, could you kill a pre-mature baby because it's not fully developed?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:38 pm

Korouse wrote:What do you want me to reply to? Lol..
This isn't about how much Chile is developed.


No, but we're talking about how Chile and El Salvador's abortion laws do not work because people will keep on doing it anyhow.

Your argument is very poor if you think America would be the exception to this trend if we just ban abortions.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:39 pm

Korouse wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Most animals are capable of more thought and sensory input than a fetus.

So now it's about the physical ability now? Let me ask you this, could you kill a pre-mature baby because it's not fully developed?

A pre-mature baby has the ability to think and feel pain.

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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:39 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Korouse wrote:What do you want me to reply to? Lol..
This isn't about how much Chile is developed.

Yes it is. You claimed it wasn't. Why do you deny your own argument. Did you read the other two pieces I contributed? Stop being willfully ignorant.

Well, you seemed to be straying from the point, posting Chile's development rating and that jazz.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:40 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Merizoc wrote:That's a bit far. You make it sound like you're blaming the fetus for being there when you say it has no right to your body.


Well, you didn't consent to have the fetus be there.

It didn't choose to be there either.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:40 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:I dOnT cArE iF iTs A hUmAn Or A pErSoN.
It has no right to my body

That's a bit far. You make it sound like you're blaming the fetus for being there when you say it has no right to your body.

It doesn't matter how it got there or why it is there - it does not get to use my body without my permission under any circumstance.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:40 pm

Korouse wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Yes it is. You claimed it wasn't. Why do you deny your own argument. Did you read the other two pieces I contributed? Stop being willfully ignorant.

Well, you seemed to be straying from the point, posting Chile's development rating and that jazz.

You said it was undeveloped. I gave evidence to the contrary. How is that hard to understand?

Please address the other points as well.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:41 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Korouse wrote:So now it's about the physical ability now? Let me ask you this, could you kill a pre-mature baby because it's not fully developed?

A pre-mature baby has the ability to think and feel pain.


I put it like such:

If a baby can exist outside the womb and the woman doesn't want it anymore, induce pregnancy, see that it comes to maturity and then adopt.

If it doesn't, abort.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:41 pm

Korouse wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Yes it is. You claimed it wasn't. Why do you deny your own argument. Did you read the other two pieces I contributed? Stop being willfully ignorant.

Well, you seemed to be straying from the point, posting Chile's development rating and that jazz.


Uh, YOU were the one who tried to move the goalposts by claiming Chile wasn't developed in the first place.

Don't whine when your claim is proven false.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu May 08, 2014 1:41 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Well, you didn't consent to have the fetus be there.

It didn't choose to be there either.

Doesn't matter. You didint consent to have it in your body. You get the right to remove it.
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Postby Juristonia » Thu May 08, 2014 1:41 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:Yes it is. You claimed it wasn't. Why do you deny your own argument. Did you read the other two pieces I contributed? Stop being willfully ignorant.

Well, you seemed to be straying from the point, posting Chile's development rating and that jazz.


When someone makes the point that you can't use Chile as comparison because it's supposedly not developed enough, debunking that statement isn't straying from anything.
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