Emily Letts abortion video

[MERIZoC]

Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.

I'd like to hear your rebuttal to this:

My primary argument for the right to choice, abortion, and bodily autonomy is this: abortion rates would not decline if it were illegal, it is estimated before Roe v Wade that between 200,000 to 1.2 million abortions occurred, with a much higher rate of women dying. As a male, and I continue to say this, I hope to never and will always do my utmost never to put a women in a situation where she has to choose or where I influence her decision.

Abortion would be discouraged among the public if it were illegal, and enforced properly.[/quote]
Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean the public would discourage it.

[Mavorpen]

You're going to base your opinion off of what happened in a third world country. Think realistically, please.

Yes, because I have lived there and I know a pro-life paradise is nothing we want in the U.S.

For your education:

Abortion methods in El Salvador[edit]
Doctors in El Salvador report that women seeking abortions use a wide variety of methods: clothes hangers, metal rods, high doses of contraceptives, fertilizers, gastritis remedies, soapy water, and caustic fluids (such as battery acid). The most common methods are pills, such as Cytotec and potassium permanganate (inserted vaginally); catheters to inject soapy water or caustic liquids; rods of any type of material to penetrate the uterus; injections of unknown solutions; or a combination of abortion methods, such as pills, a catheter, and an injection or pills and a metal rod.[6]

Using pills, catheters, injections and rods can kill a woman or injure her permanently. In addition to having only dangerous methods at their disposal, the women being tried for abortion were forced to self-induce abortions in their homes, in unsanitary conditions or in clandestine clinics that could not guarantee adequate procedures. If complications arise due to the conditions in which the abortion was practiced, they are then at risk of being reported by hospital staff who treat the complications. All of this highlights the risk to life, health, security of person and liberty that terminating an unwanted pregnancy represents for young, low-income women in El Salvador.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_El_Salvador

This is the absolute goal you are aiming at. Please educate yourself.

Fuck, abortion related deaths declined by over 90% in South Africa when the laws were liberalized.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Abortion would be discouraged among the public if it were illegal, and enforced properly.

It would not. Women would keep on having abortions, only this time the rich women can go out of country for one while everyone with a low income who wants an abortion would use clandestine or even unsafe methods.

I point back to the post above for proof:

You're going to base your opinion off of what happened in a third world country. Think realistically, please.

Yes, because I have lived there and I know a pro-life paradise is nothing we want in the U.S.

For your education:

Abortion methods in El Salvador[edit]
Doctors in El Salvador report that women seeking abortions use a wide variety of methods: clothes hangers, metal rods, high doses of contraceptives, fertilizers, gastritis remedies, soapy water, and caustic fluids (such as battery acid). The most common methods are pills, such as Cytotec and potassium permanganate (inserted vaginally); catheters to inject soapy water or caustic liquids; rods of any type of material to penetrate the uterus; injections of unknown solutions; or a combination of abortion methods, such as pills, a catheter, and an injection or pills and a metal rod.[6]

Using pills, catheters, injections and rods can kill a woman or injure her permanently. In addition to having only dangerous methods at their disposal, the women being tried for abortion were forced to self-induce abortions in their homes, in unsanitary conditions or in clandestine clinics that could not guarantee adequate procedures. If complications arise due to the conditions in which the abortion was practiced, they are then at risk of being reported by hospital staff who treat the complications. All of this highlights the risk to life, health, security of person and liberty that terminating an unwanted pregnancy represents for young, low-income women in El Salvador.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_El_Salvador

This is the absolute goal you are aiming at. Please educate yourself.

[Korouse]

I'd like to hear your rebuttal to this:

Abortion would be discouraged among the public if it were illegal, and enforced properly.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060108.html

I cite you this. It was enforced before. Didn't work. And you have no proof it would work. Developing world? Still has abortions. Chile, a relatively developed nation where abortion is illegal? Still happens.[/quote]
Chile is not a developed country whatsoever. And, I said enforced properly, if it's still happening a lot, it's not enforced properly.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Yes, because I have lived there and I know a pro-life paradise is nothing we want in the U.S.

For your education:

Abortion methods in El Salvador[edit]
Doctors in El Salvador report that women seeking abortions use a wide variety of methods: clothes hangers, metal rods, high doses of contraceptives, fertilizers, gastritis remedies, soapy water, and caustic fluids (such as battery acid). The most common methods are pills, such as Cytotec and potassium permanganate (inserted vaginally); catheters to inject soapy water or caustic liquids; rods of any type of material to penetrate the uterus; injections of unknown solutions; or a combination of abortion methods, such as pills, a catheter, and an injection or pills and a metal rod.[6]

Using pills, catheters, injections and rods can kill a woman or injure her permanently. In addition to having only dangerous methods at their disposal, the women being tried for abortion were forced to self-induce abortions in their homes, in unsanitary conditions or in clandestine clinics that could not guarantee adequate procedures. If complications arise due to the conditions in which the abortion was practiced, they are then at risk of being reported by hospital staff who treat the complications. All of this highlights the risk to life, health, security of person and liberty that terminating an unwanted pregnancy represents for young, low-income women in El Salvador.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_El_Salvador

This is the absolute goal you are aiming at. Please educate yourself.

Fuck, abortion related deaths declined by over 90% in South Africa when the laws were liberalized.

wow you mean access to medical care reduces deaths due to lack of medical care?
that almost seems like common sense, Mav.

[The Black Forrest]

Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.

I'd like to hear your rebuttal to this:

My primary argument for the right to choice, abortion, and bodily autonomy is this: abortion rates would not decline if it were illegal, it is estimated before Roe v Wade that between 200,000 to 1.2 million abortions occurred, with a much higher rate of women dying. As a male, and I continue to say this, I hope to never and will always do my utmost never to put a women in a situation where she has to choose or where I influence her decision.

Abortion would be discouraged among the public if it were illegal, and enforced properly.[/quote]

Ahh public floggings and wearing the scarlet letter.

[Mavorpen]

So I can't kill my cancer cells?

Well, Cancer Cells aren't going to develop into Humans are they? Go ahead and kill 'em.

So then I can kill a fetus, since I do not know if it will develop into a human or not.

[Mavorpen]

Chile is not a developed country whatsoever. And, I said enforced properly, if it's still happening a lot, it's not enforced properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Chile

The economy of Chile is ranked as a high-income economy by the World Bank,[9] and is considered one of South America's most stable and prosperous nations,[10] leading Latin American nations in competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption

Would you look at that? You're wrong.

[Death Metal]

Chile is not a developed country whatsoever. And, I said enforced properly, if it's still happening a lot, it's not enforced properly.

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[The Realm of Atheism]

In fact abortion should be illegal in all cases. there are such things as morals, oh I forgot. Morals are F**king politically incorrect.

[Korouse]

Well, Cancer Cells aren't going to develop into Humans are they? Go ahead and kill 'em.

So then I can kill a fetus, since I do not know if it will develop into a human or not.

That's completely ignoring biology...
Cancer Cells would NEVER turn into a human.

[MERIZoC]

Chile is not a developed country whatsoever.

Yes it is.

[Kelinfort]

Abortion would be discouraged among the public if it were illegal, and enforced properly.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060108.html

I cite you this. It was enforced before. Didn't work. And you have no proof it would work. Developing world? Still has abortions. Chile, a relatively developed nation where abortion is illegal? Still happens.

Chile is not a developed country whatsoever. And, I said enforced properly, if it's still happening a lot, it's not enforced properly.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile

Really, a human development rating of .819 isn't developed? Hmm, yeah, no.

Secondly, you're partially right, it's not just about legal abortion, it's about reducing poverty and increasing sex education.

Thirdly, http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_text ... nthood.htm

[Mavorpen]

That's completely ignoring biology...

No it isn't. Fetuses can die while in the womb, you know.

[Death Metal]

So then I can kill a fetus, since I do not know if it will develop into a human or not.

That's completely ignoring biology...
Cancer Cells would NEVER turn into a human.

actually in quantum theory, they could. it is only though observation that the possibility is removed.

[Olthar]

Abortion should be entirely legal at all times. If there is something inside of you that you don't want to be inside of you, you should have full rights to kick it out.

[Juristonia]

In fact abortion should be illegal in all cases. there are such things as morals, oh I forgot. Morals are F**king politically incorrect.

Naww. You're perfectly allowed your own personal morals. Feel free to never have an abortion. Have as many not-abortions as you want.
You just can't force those personal morals on the rest of us, because other people have different morals and this isn't a dictatorial regime.

[Death Metal]

In fact abortion should be illegal in all cases. there are such things as morals, oh I forgot. Morals are F**king politically incorrect.

Actually, banning abortion is the exact opposite of moral.

[Korouse]

That's completely ignoring biology...

No it isn't. Fetuses can die while in the womb, you know.

They're still alive

[Olthar]

No it isn't. Fetuses can die while in the womb, you know.

They're still alive

Not when they're dead.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

No it isn't. Fetuses can die while in the womb, you know.

They're still alive

Not when they're dead

[Korouse]

They're still alive

Not when they're dead

No shit?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No it isn't. Fetuses can die while in the womb, you know.

They're still alive

Explain how a dead fetus isn't alive and may not cause a woman sepsis in the uterus.

Also, like I said, life in the most biological of sense it is. However it is not a human being, it is a bunch of human cells, hence there isn't a need to protect it since it isn't a person.

[MERIZoC]

Not when they're dead

No shit?

Indeed.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Not when they're dead

No shit?

Then why did you say a dead fetus was alive.