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Postby Lamaredia » Thu May 08, 2014 1:11 pm

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Scientific fact is not arbitrary criteria.

"Life begins at conception because our magic fairytale" is entirely arbitrary, and legislating based on it is completely amoral.

And even the bible says that life begins at the first breath.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:12 pm

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Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:"Stagnant" and "Terminal" are both words.

My memory of your comments was a bit cloudy. I'm sorry.

But, in all seriousness, a fetus is not like a rapist in any way. The fact that you're comparing those two to eachother is borderline retarded.
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Postby Helvagon » Thu May 08, 2014 1:13 pm

Look at this. These are the requirements for something to be alive: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm

Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:13 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Viritica wrote:Why would she upload something as personal as an abortion onto YouTube?

Seems rather... odd.


To dispel the myth abortions are unsafe.

Just to add to that, legal and regulated abortions are safe, back alley abortions as the pro lifers would have it are much more unsafe.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:13 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Scientific fact is not arbitrary criteria.

"Life begins at conception because our magic fairytale" is entirely arbitrary, and legislating based on it is completely amoral.

And even the bible says that life begins at the first breath.


Based on that logic, even late-term abortions are valid.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:13 pm

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Korouse wrote:My memory of your comments was a bit cloudy. I'm sorry.

Clearly, because you didn't quote me at all.

I distinctly remember the contents of your comment because it was so stupid.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:14 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
To dispel the myth abortions are unsafe.

No, legal and regulated abortions are safe, back alley abortions as the pro lifers would have it are much more unsafe.


Pretty much.

There's a reason why I don't agree with pro-lifers, because El Salvador has banned abortions. And I've heard cases where women have done atrocious things to themselves to get rid of a fetus.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:14 pm

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Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Clearly, because you didn't quote me at all.

I distinctly remember the contents of your comment because it was so stupid.

Then go find it and quote it.

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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:15 pm

Helvagon wrote:Look at this. These are the requirements for something to be alive: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm

Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)

Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Viritica wrote:Why would she upload something as personal as an abortion onto YouTube?

Seems rather... odd.

People have uploaded their birth videos. Hell, there are television shows that display nothing but graphic births.
She uploaded it because there are women, many women, who have been fed lies saying that abortion is dangerous or hard, which she showed is false. And because there are people under the assumption that all people who get abortions feel guilt and self-hatred, and she wants to break that. The only people who should feel sad about their abortions are the ones who didn't want it, i.e. they wanted to have a baby but something went wrong, or people who were made to choose it, which shouldn't happen anyway. A woman who makes her own choice shouldn't be made to feel guilt. They should be loved and supported the entire way through. She was showing that there ARE positive abortion stories, and that no one should feel shamed for their choice.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:No, legal and regulated abortions are safe, back alley abortions as the pro lifers would have it are much more unsafe.


Pretty much.

There's a reason why I don't agree with pro-lifers, because El Salvador has banned abortions. And I've heard cases where women have done atrocious things to themselves to get rid of a fetus.

You're going to base your opinion off of what happened in a third world country. Think realistically, please.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Korouse wrote:Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)

Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.[/quote]
I'd like to hear your rebuttal to this:

My primary argument for the right to choice, abortion, and bodily autonomy is this: abortion rates would not decline if it were illegal, it is estimated before Roe v Wade that between 200,000 to 1.2 million abortions occurred, with a much higher rate of women dying. As a male, and I continue to say this, I hope to never and will always do my utmost never to put a women in a situation where she has to choose or where I influence her decision.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Helvagon wrote:Look at this. These are the requirements for something to be alive: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm

Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)

Intestinal parasites are alive.

And?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:17 pm

Helvagon wrote:Look at this. These are the requirements for something to be alive: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm

Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)


Nobody is arguing they are alive. "Life" is what the cells have.

However, to compare this to a human person is ridiculous.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:18 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:And even the bible says that life begins at the first breath.


Based on that logic, even late-term abortions are valid.

Sure - But at that point I would not in the slightest be opposed to optional early induction or cesarean. Pregnancy over, birth occurs, pro-lifers shut the hell up.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:18 pm

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Helvagon wrote:Look at this. These are the requirements for something to be alive: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm

Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)

Intestinal parasites are alive.

And?

It's not of human being DNA, so go ahead and kill it.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 1:19 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Pretty much.

There's a reason why I don't agree with pro-lifers, because El Salvador has banned abortions. And I've heard cases where women have done atrocious things to themselves to get rid of a fetus.

You're going to base your opinion off of what happened in a third world country. Think realistically, please.

What's unrealistic about that?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:19 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Pretty much.

There's a reason why I don't agree with pro-lifers, because El Salvador has banned abortions. And I've heard cases where women have done atrocious things to themselves to get rid of a fetus.

You're going to base your opinion off of what happened in a third world country. Think realistically, please.

I had to basically poison myself to get an abortion. I live in America.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 1:19 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:Intestinal parasites are alive.

And?

It's not of human being DNA, so go ahead and kill it.

So I can't kill my cancer cells?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:19 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Pretty much.

There's a reason why I don't agree with pro-lifers, because El Salvador has banned abortions. And I've heard cases where women have done atrocious things to themselves to get rid of a fetus.

You're going to base your opinion off of what happened in a third world country. Think realistically, please.


Yes, because I have lived there and I know a pro-life paradise is nothing we want in the U.S.

For your education:

Abortion methods in El Salvador[edit]
Doctors in El Salvador report that women seeking abortions use a wide variety of methods: clothes hangers, metal rods, high doses of contraceptives, fertilizers, gastritis remedies, soapy water, and caustic fluids (such as battery acid). The most common methods are pills, such as Cytotec and potassium permanganate (inserted vaginally); catheters to inject soapy water or caustic liquids; rods of any type of material to penetrate the uterus; injections of unknown solutions; or a combination of abortion methods, such as pills, a catheter, and an injection or pills and a metal rod.[6]

Using pills, catheters, injections and rods can kill a woman or injure her permanently. In addition to having only dangerous methods at their disposal, the women being tried for abortion were forced to self-induce abortions in their homes, in unsanitary conditions or in clandestine clinics that could not guarantee adequate procedures. If complications arise due to the conditions in which the abortion was practiced, they are then at risk of being reported by hospital staff who treat the complications. All of this highlights the risk to life, health, security of person and liberty that terminating an unwanted pregnancy represents for young, low-income women in El Salvador.[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_El_Salvador

This is the absolute goal you are aiming at. Please educate yourself.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:19 pm

Helvagon wrote:Look at this. These are the requirements for something to be alive: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm


Gibberish. "Living things are composed of cells and have tissue and organs" SO DO DEAD THINGS. ALSO CELLS ARE LIVE AND ARE NOT COMPOSED OF CELLS. DUMBASSES.

1st grade biology =/= real biology.
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Korouse wrote:Now try to tell me a fetus isn't alive. (By the way, don't say it can't sexually reproduce. It's like saying a duckling isn't alive cause' it can't reproduce yet.)

Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.

I'd like to hear your rebuttal to this:

My primary argument for the right to choice, abortion, and bodily autonomy is this: abortion rates would not decline if it were illegal, it is estimated before Roe v Wade that between 200,000 to 1.2 million abortions occurred, with a much higher rate of women dying. As a male, and I continue to say this, I hope to never and will always do my utmost never to put a women in a situation where she has to choose or where I influence her decision.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:20 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.

I'd like to hear your rebuttal to this:

My primary argument for the right to choice, abortion, and bodily autonomy is this: abortion rates would not decline if it were illegal, it is estimated before Roe v Wade that between 200,000 to 1.2 million abortions occurred, with a much higher rate of women dying. As a male, and I continue to say this, I hope to never and will always do my utmost never to put a women in a situation where she has to choose or where I influence her decision.

Abortion would be discouraged among the public if it were illegal, and enforced properly.[/quote]
Abortion still occurs at the same rates in countries were abortions are banned.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:20 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:Saying something doesn't deserve to live because it can't reproduce. Loooooool.

I'd like to hear your rebuttal to this:

My primary argument for the right to choice, abortion, and bodily autonomy is this: abortion rates would not decline if it were illegal, it is estimated before Roe v Wade that between 200,000 to 1.2 million abortions occurred, with a much higher rate of women dying. As a male, and I continue to say this, I hope to never and will always do my utmost never to put a women in a situation where she has to choose or where I influence her decision.

Abortion would be discouraged among the public if it were illegal, and enforced properly.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060108.html

I cite you this. It was enforced before. Didn't work. And you have no proof it would work. Developing world? Still has abortions. Chile, a relatively developed nation where abortion is illegal? Still happens.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:20 pm

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Korouse wrote:It's not of human being DNA, so go ahead and kill it.

So I can't kill my cancer cells?

Well, Cancer Cells aren't going to develop into Humans are they? Go ahead and kill 'em.
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