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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 1:00 pm

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How is letting women make their own reproductive choices not a women's rights issue?

It's not only the woman's rights when talking about abortion, it's also the fetuses rights.

It's not only the woman's rights when talking about rape, it's also the rapists' rights.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:00 pm

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How is letting women make their own reproductive choices not a women's rights issue?

It's not only the woman's rights when talking about abortion, it's also the fetuses rights.


Fetuses do not have personhood; nor can they be considered human until at least some weeks past the 5th month.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:01 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Korouse wrote:It's not only the woman's rights when talking about abortion, it's also the fetuses rights.


A foetus doesn't have any rights. Nor should it.

Why should it not have rights?
That's like saying a rapist has no rights, because fetuses are totally like rapists!
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:02 pm

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A foetus doesn't have any rights. Nor should it.

Why should it not have rights?
That's like saying a rapist has no rights, because fetuses are totally like rapists!

I''m quoting someone, by the way.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 1:03 pm

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Korouse wrote:Why should it not have rights?
That's like saying a rapist has no rights, because fetuses are totally like rapists!

I''m quoting someone, by the way.

No you aren't. You aren't quoting anyone.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:03 pm

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A foetus doesn't have any rights. Nor should it.

Why should it not have rights?
That's like saying a rapist has no rights, because fetuses are totally like rapists!


They need to be a person before we recognize them as deserving of rights.

Personhood isn't embedded in the fabric of how a human is made. A fetus may be human, but they are not a person.
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Postby The Flood » Thu May 08, 2014 1:03 pm

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The Flood wrote:Anything that lends any support or credence of any kind to the pro-choice stance ought to be illegal, and utterly shunned by society as hate speech.
Women's rights is not hate speech.
Age supremacism with the desire to deprive other human beings of their right to live based on arbitrary criteria is.
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The Flood wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Women's rights is not hate speech.
Age supremacism with the desire to deprive other human beings of their right to live based on arbitrary criteria is.

Age doesn't even have anything to do with it. You can be older than me and still not have a right to use my body against my will.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:05 pm

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Korouse wrote:I''m quoting someone, by the way.

No you aren't. You aren't quoting anyone.


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The Flood wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Women's rights is not hate speech.
Age supremacism with the desire to deprive other human beings of their right to live based on arbitrary criteria is.


Age supremacism? What in the blazing fuckballs are you talking about?

The fact that a fetus isn't a full human being that can be sustain their own life is enough to declare him not a human nor a person.
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Postby The Flood » Thu May 08, 2014 1:06 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Flood wrote:Anything that lends any support or credence of any kind to the pro-choice stance ought to be illegal, and utterly shunned by society as hate speech.
WAY to sound far off the deep end.
A world where a person who supports slaughtering innocent children gets to say that those who stand against such atrocities are "off the deep end", how ironic, sad, terrible.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu May 08, 2014 1:07 pm

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A foetus doesn't have any rights. Nor should it.

Why should it not have rights?


Because the default position of things is not that they have rights. My computer doesn't get to choose when I'm allowed to type on it. My table doesn't have to be in an acquiescent mood for me to rest the computer on it.

Perhaps most importantly, though - a foetus shouldn't have rights because even considering that paradigm creates the kind of silliness we see in this thread, where people start taking rights AWAY from OTHER (actual, real) people.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:07 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:No you aren't. You aren't quoting anyone.


"Quotes don't have to be real to be quotes. Especially on the internet."- Oscar Wilde

I'm quoting Somethin' Axon Somethin', if you'd go prowl the past pages for a bit, you'd see her comments. :)
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:08 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:WAY to sound far off the deep end.
A world where a person who supports slaughtering innocent children gets to say that those who stand against such atrocities are "off the deep end", how ironic, sad, terrible.


Fetuses =/= a human being.

If you forcefully deliver a 3 month old fetus, is that fetus going to survive in the real world? If so, congratulations, you got yourself a human being and a person.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:08 pm

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Death Metal wrote:
"Quotes don't have to be real to be quotes. Especially on the internet."- Oscar Wilde

I'm quoting Somethin' Axon Somethin', if you'd go prowl the past pages for a bit, you'd see her comments. :)

I'm saying something because it seemed like she just face-smashed the keyboard on those two words
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:08 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Flood wrote:A world where a person who supports slaughtering innocent children gets to say that those who stand against such atrocities are "off the deep end", how ironic, sad, terrible.


Fetuses =/= a human being.

If you forcefully deliver a 3 month old fetus, is that fetus going to survive in the real world? If so, congratulations, you got yourself a human being and a person.


Logic =/= Your point.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:09 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Korouse wrote:It's not only the woman's rights when talking about abortion, it's also the fetuses rights.


A foetus doesn't have any rights. Nor should it.

Alternately, it has the same rights as any born person - But that does not include the right to using another person's body against their will.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:09 pm

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Korouse wrote:I'm quoting Somethin' Axon Somethin', if you'd go prowl the past pages for a bit, you'd see her comments. :)

I'm saying something because it seemed like she just face-smashed the keyboard on those two words

"Stagnant" and "Terminal" are both words.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:10 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Fetuses =/= a human being.

If you forcefully deliver a 3 month old fetus, is that fetus going to survive in the real world? If so, congratulations, you got yourself a human being and a person.


Logic =/= Your point.


Because biology and medical science =/= reality, amirite?
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Postby Death Metal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:10 pm

The Flood wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Women's rights is not hate speech.
Age supremacism with the desire to deprive other human beings of their right to live based on arbitrary criteria is.


Scientific fact is not arbitrary criteria.

"Life begins at conception because our magic fairytale" is entirely arbitrary, and legislating based on it is completely amoral.
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Postby Viritica » Thu May 08, 2014 1:10 pm

Why would she upload something as personal as an abortion onto YouTube?

Seems rather... odd.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 1:10 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Korouse wrote:I'm saying something because it seemed like she just face-smashed the keyboard on those two words

"Stagnant" and "Terminal" are both words.

My memory of your comments was a bit cloudy. I'm sorry.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 08, 2014 1:11 pm

Viritica wrote:Why would she upload something as personal as an abortion onto YouTube?

Seems rather... odd.

To destigmatise. I admit it seems rather odd, but hey, she can do that.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 1:11 pm

Korouse wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:"Stagnant" and "Terminal" are both words.

My memory of your comments was a bit cloudy. I'm sorry.

Clearly, because you didn't quote me at all.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 1:11 pm

Viritica wrote:Why would she upload something as personal as an abortion onto YouTube?

Seems rather... odd.


To dispel the myth abortions are unsafe.
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