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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 12:25 pm

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Postby The Sarian » Thu May 08, 2014 12:26 pm

While I am pro-abortion, I am against that video.
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That's a matter for philosophy. Certainly our scientific behaviors should treat is as true until proven otherwise. However, there is no reason why one's belief system can't include things that can't be proven.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu May 08, 2014 12:30 pm

Mavorpen wrote:Could you go ONE, just ONE thread without trying to turn it into your own personal jerkfest talking about your racism?


I have been in plenty of threads where I didn't bring up race at all and have still been on topic in most cases. People just like to exaggerate but okay, I'll try it your way. It'd obviously do me no good to temporarily take a hiatus only for people to complain later. Of course, I don't think it'd be fair for me to not be able to talk about racial issues at all, if it actually does have something to do with a topic such as for example, the elections in South Africa.
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Postby Vyrsar » Thu May 08, 2014 12:30 pm

I, quite frankly, don't see the issue with abortion. Do I support abortion? No. But I do support the right for women to choose what they want to do with themselves.

Enough said.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 12:32 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:Could you go ONE, just ONE thread without trying to turn it into your own personal jerkfest talking about your racism?


I have been in plenty of threads where I didn't bring up race at all and have still been on topic in most cases. People just like to exaggerate but okay, I'll try it your way. It'd obviously do me no good to temporarily take a hiatus only for people to complain later. Of course, I don't think it'd be fair for me to not be able to talk about racial issues at all, if it actually does have something to do with a topic such as for example, the elections in South Africa.

I don't have a problem with you talking about race. I have a problem with you trying to center a thread around your personal racism and racist desires (such as only dating white women). It's distracting and makes no real contribution to a thread like this.
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Postby JeebusCrust » Thu May 08, 2014 12:33 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Could you go ONE, just ONE thread without trying to turn it into your own personal jerkfest talking about your racism?


I have been in plenty of threads where I didn't bring up race at all and have still been on topic in most cases. People just like to exaggerate but okay, I'll try it your way. It'd obviously do me no good to temporarily take a hiatus only for people to complain later. Of course, I don't think it'd be fair for me to not be able to talk about racial issues at all, if it actually does have something to do with a topic such as for example, the elections in South Africa.

You do nothing but cause trouble by discussing racial topics. Just drop it. We all know you're a racist that won't change his opinion, so keep quiet about it and actually contribute to discussions.

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Postby Empire of Narnia » Thu May 08, 2014 12:33 pm

Vyrsar wrote:I, quite frankly, don't see the issue with abortion. Do I support abortion? No. But I do support the right for women to choose what they want to do with themselves.

Enough said.

What about the right for women to kill other human beings?

The right for men to kill other human beings?

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Postby Bolrieg » Thu May 08, 2014 12:33 pm

Whatever's controversial on this site devolves into a clusterfuck on this site.

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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 12:35 pm

*Goes off for an hour*
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu May 08, 2014 12:39 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Vyrsar wrote:I, quite frankly, don't see the issue with abortion. Do I support abortion? No. But I do support the right for women to choose what they want to do with themselves.

Enough said.

What about the right for women to kill other human beings?

The right for men to kill other human beings?

Are those humans inside of the person or otherwise violating the bodily autonomy of the person?
If so, they have a right to remove them, regardless of the outcome.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Thu May 08, 2014 12:39 pm

Bolrieg wrote:Whatever's controversial on this site devolves into a clusterfuck on this site.

I have a feeling the moderators will give this thread a lock and and maybe a few warnings.

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Postby JeebusCrust » Thu May 08, 2014 12:40 pm

Bolrieg wrote:Whatever's controversial on this site devolves into a clusterfuck on this site.

That's the best part.

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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 08, 2014 12:41 pm

Bolrieg wrote:Whatever's controversial on this site devolves into a clusterfuck on this site.

Welcome to NSG.

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Postby Vyrsar » Thu May 08, 2014 12:42 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:What about the right for women to kill other human beings?

The right for men to kill other human beings?


I'm 100% sure that murder is illegal in every civilized nation on the planet.

And there's a significant difference between a embryo/fetus in the early stages of pregnancy, and when the fetus starts to actually develop human traits.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Thu May 08, 2014 12:42 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:What about the right for women to kill other human beings?

The right for men to kill other human beings?

Are those humans inside of the person or otherwise violating the bodily autonomy of the person?
If so, they have a right to remove them, regardless of the outcome.

That's cold. "bodily autonomy" should not trump the life of another. They should just suck it up and carry the baby. Maybe the government should abolish this whole idea of bodily autonomy if it means people die over it.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu May 08, 2014 12:42 pm

JeebusCrust wrote:You do nothing but cause trouble by discussing racial topics. Just drop it. We all know you're a racist that won't change his opinion, so keep quiet about it and actually contribute to discussions.


I think my problem this whole time has been me trying to diminish the stigma that racism has, but it is actually better for me to ignore it and not care so much if people think poorly about racist views no matter how mild. I'm glad you actually got me to self reflect, I'll stop doing so henceforth.

So, how does making an abortion video help with abortion guilt?
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 08, 2014 12:45 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Are those humans inside of the person or otherwise violating the bodily autonomy of the person?
If so, they have a right to remove them, regardless of the outcome.

That's cold. "bodily autonomy" should not trump the life of another. They should just suck it up and carry the baby. Maybe the government should abolish this whole idea of bodily autonomy if it means people die over it.

The thing was a clump of cells that didn't resemble nor have the functions of a human being.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 12:46 pm

Saiwania wrote:So, why did this woman make an abortion video?

There's a stigma around women who have abortions and a mistaken belief that abortions are always a traumatic experience for them. A lot of people use this as an excuse for why abortion should be banned. The video was made not only because of that, but because of further misinformation spread that abortions aren't "safe." There are plenty of scare tactics including "if you have an abortion, you an never have kids again." It's to show that the procedure is safe and not the horror show some make it out to be.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 12:47 pm

Saiwania wrote:
JeebusCrust wrote:You do nothing but cause trouble by discussing racial topics. Just drop it. We all know you're a racist that won't change his opinion, so keep quiet about it and actually contribute to discussions.


I think my problem this whole time has been me trying to diminish the stigma that racism has, but it is actually better for me to ignore it and not care so much if people think poorly about racist views no matter how mild. I'm glad you actually got me to self reflect, I'll stop doing so henceforth.

So, how does making an abortion video help with abortion guilt?

So wait, would it be racist if he dated everyone but white girls?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 12:47 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Are those humans inside of the person or otherwise violating the bodily autonomy of the person?
If so, they have a right to remove them, regardless of the outcome.

That's cold. "bodily autonomy" should not trump the life of another. They should just suck it up and carry the baby. Maybe the government should abolish this whole idea of bodily autonomy if it means people die over it.


A man/woman does not have right to body sovereignty, hence they should just suck it up and get their ass kicked, get maimed, raped, or killed.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 08, 2014 12:48 pm

Korouse wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I think my problem this whole time has been me trying to diminish the stigma that racism has, but it is actually better for me to ignore it and not care so much if people think poorly about racist views no matter how mild. I'm glad you actually got me to self reflect, I'll stop doing so henceforth.

So, how does making an abortion video help with abortion guilt?

So wait, would it be racist if he dated everyone but white girls?

Fucking Odin, drop it. Stop trying to derail.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu May 08, 2014 12:48 pm

Mavorpen wrote:There's a stigma around women who have abortions and a mistaken belief that abortions are always a traumatic experience for them. A lot of people use this as an excuse for why abortion should be banned. The video was made not only because of that, but because of further misinformation spread that abortions aren't "safe." There are plenty of scare tactics including "if you have an abortion, you an never have kids again." It's to show that the procedure is safe and not the horror show some make it out to be.


Well, you know how it goes: I had to ask an abortion related question to try to steer back on topic to attempt to avoid thread jacking too much. I've edited it to a different question that hopefully hasn't already been answered.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 08, 2014 12:49 pm

Korouse wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I think my problem this whole time has been me trying to diminish the stigma that racism has, but it is actually better for me to ignore it and not care so much if people think poorly about racist views no matter how mild. I'm glad you actually got me to self reflect, I'll stop doing so henceforth.

So, how does making an abortion video help with abortion guilt?

So wait, would it be racist if he dated everyone but white girls?


Well dating is far more discriminatory because we're looking for someone like ourselves.

So this is a poor comparison to draw and irrelevant to the thread.
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Postby Korouse » Thu May 08, 2014 12:49 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Korouse wrote:So wait, would it be racist if he dated everyone but white girls?

Fucking Odin, drop it. Stop trying to derail.

It's a question. Would it be?
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