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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 10:37 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Flood wrote:Gangnam Style
checkmate
Which hasn't been watched by the majority of the world. Not even fucking close.
I know, it's a joke. Everyone's being too heavy in here, we need to lighten up.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri May 09, 2014 10:38 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Flood wrote:Don't know, but this technology must be invested in, and cost shouldn't be a factor. There should be no price on human life. Artificial wombs are the one true compromise that everyone could be satisfied by, and they must become a reality, available to all.

Wouldn't it just be easier to invest in a potential mechanism that could allow a woman and a man to decide when to release genetic information?

We need nanomachines that destroy fertilized eggs. *nods*
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Fri May 09, 2014 10:38 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:Ok, how are you going to take an attached embryo already in utero, then transplant it into another woman, ensure development of an umbilical cord, proper growth and deliver, all while keeping cost down? Surrogates don't develop an embryo in another body before transfer.
Don't know, but this technology must be invested in, and cost shouldn't be a factor. There should be no price on human life. Artificial wombs are the one true compromise that everyone could be satisfied by, and they must become a reality, available to all.

They must also be affordable to even the poorest of women, convenient, and easy to come by. Someone has to foot the bill. How much are you going to donate?
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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 10:39 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Flood wrote:Don't know, but this technology must be invested in, and cost shouldn't be a factor. There should be no price on human life. Artificial wombs are the one true compromise that everyone could be satisfied by, and they must become a reality, available to all.

Wouldn't it just be easier to invest in a potential mechanism that could allow a woman and a man to decide when to release genetic information?
How would we do that? Install a cyborganic vas deferens in every man?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Fri May 09, 2014 10:39 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Flood wrote:Don't know, but this technology must be invested in, and cost shouldn't be a factor. There should be no price on human life. Artificial wombs are the one true compromise that everyone could be satisfied by, and they must become a reality, available to all.

Wouldn't it just be easier to invest in a potential mechanism that could allow a woman and a man to decide when to release genetic information?

We need free birth control for women*
AND
To develop better birth control for men*, which also has to be freeeee.
Vasectomies and tubals are also A+.
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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 10:41 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
The Flood wrote:Don't know, but this technology must be invested in, and cost shouldn't be a factor. There should be no price on human life. Artificial wombs are the one true compromise that everyone could be satisfied by, and they must become a reality, available to all.

They must also be affordable to even the poorest of women, convenient, and easy to come by. Someone has to foot the bill. How much are you going to donate?
Of course it has to be affordable. It has to be more then that, it has to be free, fully covered by taxes. Universal healthcare is a must in any country that wishes to call itself a part of the developed world.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 09, 2014 10:41 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier to invest in a potential mechanism that could allow a woman and a man to decide when to release genetic information?

We need free birth control for women*
AND
To develop better birth control for men*, which also has to be freeeee.
Vasectomies and tubals are also A+.


Been thinking about it myself.
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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 10:43 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:We need free birth control for women*
AND
To develop better birth control for men*, which also has to be freeeee.
Vasectomies and tubals are also A+.

Been thinking about it myself.
Getting a vasectomy before you have any children seems... unwise. People change their minds, you can never possibly know that you won't change yours in the future.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 09, 2014 10:43 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier to invest in a potential mechanism that could allow a woman and a man to decide when to release genetic information?

We need free birth control for women*
AND
To develop better birth control for men*, which also has to be freeeee.
Vasectomies and tubals are also A+.

Yeah, my idea was something like that, except it doesn't require a medical procedure to change. Free birth control all the way.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri May 09, 2014 10:44 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:We need free birth control for women*
AND
To develop better birth control for men*, which also has to be freeeee.
Vasectomies and tubals are also A+.


Been thinking about it myself.

How much does it cost?
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 09, 2014 10:44 pm

The Flood wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier to invest in a potential mechanism that could allow a woman and a man to decide when to release genetic information?
How would we do that? Install a cyborganic vas deferens in every man?

Perhaps. The entire artificial womb concept would probably cost just as much for a first trimester foetus.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 09, 2014 10:47 pm

The Flood wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Been thinking about it myself.
Getting a vasectomy before you have any children seems... unwise. People change their minds, you can never possibly know that you won't change yours in the future.


Its not that I think its unwise. But my girlfriend and O will talk to a gynecologist (she has seizures). If she cannot conceive based on their advice because taking her off her meds while pregnant will be a much higher risk so that it is a bad idea, well resort to other methods, and if we decide to go for adoption Im undergoing sterilization.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 09, 2014 10:48 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Been thinking about it myself.

How much does it cost?


350- 1000 following sperm count checkups.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri May 09, 2014 10:49 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:How much does it cost?


350- 1000 following sperm count checkups.

Time to start saving up.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 09, 2014 10:50 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
350- 1000 following sperm count checkups.

Time to start saving up.


Thats how much I save during a month.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Fri May 09, 2014 10:50 pm

The Flood wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Been thinking about it myself.
Getting a vasectomy before you have any children seems... unwise. People change their minds, you can never possibly know that you won't change yours in the future.

Banking sperm is also an option, and vasectomies can often, but not always, be undone.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Fri May 09, 2014 10:51 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Time to start saving up.


Thats how much I save during a month.

dude
please give me your job
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.

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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 10:53 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Flood wrote:Getting a vasectomy before you have any children seems... unwise. People change their minds, you can never possibly know that you won't change yours in the future.
Its not that I think its unwise. But my girlfriend and O will talk to a gynecologist (she has seizures). If she cannot conceive based on their advice because taking her off her meds while pregnant will be a much higher risk so that it is a bad idea, well resort to other methods, and if we decide to go for adoption Im undergoing sterilization.
Ah, understandable.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 09, 2014 10:53 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Thats how much I save during a month.

dude
please give me your job


I do all kinds of things. Sell stuff online, repair computer and write freelance. Are you sure you want my lifestyle? :P
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Postby The Greater New Soviet Union » Fri May 09, 2014 10:53 pm

It puzzles me why people would want to kill their own child

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Fri May 09, 2014 10:56 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:dude
please give me your job


I do all kinds of things. Sell stuff online, repair computer and write freelance. Are you sure you want my lifestyle? :P

To rewrite a Jessie J song...
"It's all about the money, money money,
I need dat money money money
I just wanna buy a laaaap dance,
but damn look at that prrrriiiiiice tag

It's all about the cha-ching cha-ching
It's all about the cha-ching cha-ching
I just wanna buy a laaaap dance,
but damn look at that prrrriiiiiice tag"
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 09, 2014 10:56 pm

The Flood wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Its not that I think its unwise. But my girlfriend and O will talk to a gynecologist (she has seizures). If she cannot conceive based on their advice because taking her off her meds while pregnant will be a much higher risk so that it is a bad idea, well resort to other methods, and if we decide to go for adoption Im undergoing sterilization.
Ah, understandable.


Yea, Ii dont want her to get pregnant by me if it turns out her carrying to term will put her at an unnecessary risk.
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Postby Evil Grantica » Fri May 09, 2014 10:59 pm

Jocabia wrote:
The Grand American Empire wrote:In fact abortion should be illegal in all cases. there are such things as morals, oh I forgot. Morals are F**king politically incorrect. :evil: :evil:

Or, maybe, our morals differ.

For example, I don't believe that creating children just to prove a point to women you view as promiscuous is moral.

It's not to prove a point to "promiscuous women." It's to save the child's life. (And you also ignore married women who get abortions...)

I don't believe that it's moral to make medical decisions for other people against their will.

I agree. That's why it's important not to make the medical decision of death for the child.

I don't believe that it's moral for a group of Christians to just keep making up rules about what God said that God didn't say.

It's not really a Christian issue, though Christians tend to be pro-life. I know many (female) non-Christians who are pro-life.

But that's just me. Which is why I won't ever force you to have an abortion.


Glad to hear it. The issue is that the abortion is always forced on the child, who gets no say.

Is the child not human and worth our protection? Women and slaves used to not be.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Fri May 09, 2014 11:02 pm

Evil Grantica wrote:
Jocabia wrote:Or, maybe, our morals differ.

For example, I don't believe that creating children just to prove a point to women you view as promiscuous is moral.

It's not to prove a point to "promiscuous women." It's to save the child's life. (And you also ignore married women who get abortions...)

I don't believe that it's moral to make medical decisions for other people against their will.

I agree. That's why it's important not to make the medical decision of death for the child.

I don't believe that it's moral for a group of Christians to just keep making up rules about what God said that God didn't say.

It's not really a Christian issue, though Christians tend to be pro-life. I know many (female) non-Christians who are pro-life.

But that's just me. Which is why I won't ever force you to have an abortion.


Glad to hear it. The issue is that the abortion is always forced on the child, who gets no say.

Is the child not human and worth our protection? Women and slaves used to not be.

*chorus of angels sing* ~You don't get to take away the right to bodily autonomy for women~
*Chorus gets louder* ~You don't get to strip women of their rights ever~
*chorus is overpoweringly loud* ~We are not incubators, stop trying to enslave us to our biology~
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My sworn enemy is the Toyota 4Runner
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Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.

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Postby Korouse » Fri May 09, 2014 11:12 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Evil Grantica wrote:It's not to prove a point to "promiscuous women." It's to save the child's life. (And you also ignore married women who get abortions...)


I agree. That's why it's important not to make the medical decision of death for the child.


It's not really a Christian issue, though Christians tend to be pro-life. I know many (female) non-Christians who are pro-life.



Glad to hear it. The issue is that the abortion is always forced on the child, who gets no say.

Is the child not human and worth our protection? Women and slaves used to not be.

*chorus of angels sing* ~You don't get to take away the right to bodily autonomy for women~
*Chorus gets louder* ~You don't get to strip women of their rights ever~
*chorus is overpoweringly loud* ~We are not incubators, stop trying to enslave us to our biology~

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