Emily Letts abortion video

[Mavorpen]

Neither of those posts says ANYTHING about that being the justification for my position.

That's something you made up in your head to pretend as though you have a shred of any chance of making a coherent argument against me.

You do know that anyone who cares too can look back at your quotes and see through the bullshit and the lies in this post, right?

It's not my fault you've continuously failed to grasp the most basic statements I've made.

[Lamaredia]

Foetus perceive sensations and as baby think everything is themselves. Psychology.

No, they don't. Give me a source for it.

[Pilotto]

You do know that anyone who cares too can look back at your quotes and see through the bullshit and the lies in this post, right?

It's not my fault you've continuously failed to grasp the most basic statements I've made.

I see that you are no longer going to even attempt to debate honestly with me. Good day to you, dear sir.

[Mavorpen]

Foetus perceive sensations and as baby think everything is themselves. Psychology.

No they don't. A fetus can react to stimuli. So can plants. Are plants sentient?

[Resora]

Foetus perceive sensations and as baby think everything is themselves. Psychology.

What does the psychology of a baby have to do with the sentience or lack thereof of a fetus?

[Mavorpen]

It's not my fault you've continuously failed to grasp the most basic statements I've made.

I see that you are no longer going to even attempt to debate honestly with me. Good day to you, dear sir.

I don't think you should be talking about honesty. You've yet to get ANYTHING right about my position.

[Citizens of the future]

Foetus perceive sensations and as baby think everything is themselves. Psychology.

No, they don't. Give me a source for it.

It's exactly why I want to stop you ask for sources but you wont give any yourself. I am right now on a PS 4 and cant copy paste so sadly I cant show you links of searches I made while informing you. Stop 5 minutes and go look yourself

[Mavorpen]

No, they don't. Give me a source for it.

It's exactly why I want to stop you ask for sources but you wont give any yourself. I am right now on a PS 4 and cant copy paste so sadly I cant show you links of searches I made while informing you. Stop 5 minutes and go look yourself

Are plants sentient or not?

[Lamaredia]

No, they don't. Give me a source for it.

It's exactly why I want to stop you ask for sources but you wont give any yourself. I am right now on a PS 4 and cant copy paste so sadly I cant show you links of searches I made while informing you. Stop 5 minutes and go look yourself

Burden of proof. YOU are the one claiming that fetuses are sentient, so YOU have to prove it.

[Vettrera]

I've read about half of this thread recently, and I was actually moved to tears once, listening to a tragic story of a user that was raped and made the choice to get an abortion and then to hear others say that she was wrong to do so.

I think abortion is something that should not be taken lightly, and it is something that I as a male will never be able to understand. However, if the boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife or fling/fling are together or are on good terms I feel like the man should at least have some say on what happens, though it is ultimately the female's choice at the end of the day.

Having a child is a big deal and can lead to a plethora of issues, and if there is no reason to believe that the child will have a good life or the life that you feel that child deserves, then there is no reason to keep it. Do what is best for you and the potential child. Abortion also however isn't something that you just do without giving deep thought to it.

[Vettrera]

It's not my fault you've continuously failed to grasp the most basic statements I've made.

I see that you are no longer going to even attempt to debate honestly with me. Good day to you, dear sir.

This is literally the most hilarious post I have read in this thread. This isn't what deate is.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Go instruct yourself biologicaly dude. If foetus would be parasite then most vertabrae would be considered parasite..

You just answer cold heartly or without logic.

In Canada we have very few prolifers and elective abortions stop at24 weeks

"An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host." is the definition of a parasite.

A fetus grows, feeds, and is sheltered in a woman while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

That only shows that while they may express parasitic properties. It doesnt male them a parasite because it doesnt fulfil the criteria for a parasite as it is not an outside invading agent, it is a union between a human sperm cell and a human ovum.

Unless you also wish to argue that sperms are parasites and only a sperm is needed without a ovum to procreate.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I've read about half of this thread recently, and I was actually moved to tears once, listening to a tragic story of a user that was raped and made the choice to get an abortion and then to hear others say that she was wrong to do so.

I think abortion is something that should not be taken lightly, and it is something that I as a male will never be able to understand. However, if the boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife or fling/fling are together or are on good terms I feel like the man should at least have some say on what happens, though it is ultimately the female's choice at the end of the day.

Having a child is a big deal and can lead to a plethora of issues, and if there is no reason to believe that the child will have a good life or the life that you feel that child deserves, then there is no reason to keep it. Do what is best for you and the potential child. Abortion also however isn't something that you just do without giving deep thought to it.

In mathematical terms... IFF f(vagina) is willing to allow f(male)=opinion to be worth a damn.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Umm. Why post it on YOUTUBE?! "I'll brutally rip apart my baby and get famous for a month or three," is that what the world has devolved into?

[Citizens of the future]

"An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host." is the definition of a parasite.

A fetus grows, feeds, and is sheltered in a woman while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

That only shows that while they may express parasitic properties. It doesnt male them a parasite because it doesnt fulfil the criteria for a parasite as it is not an outside invading agent, it is a union between a human sperm cell and a human ovum.

Unless you also wish to argue that sperms are parasites and only a sperm is needed without a ovum to procreate.

Finaly some sense will have come to that "debate" before I go to bed.

[Resora]

Umm. Why post it on YOUTUBE?! "I'll brutally rip apart my baby and get famous for a month or three," is that what the world has devolved into?

As has been said repeatedly in this thread, not a baby, and she's an abortion counselor presenting a more positive image of the procedure so publishing her video is a way of doing her job.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That only shows that while they may express parasitic properties. It doesnt male them a parasite because it doesnt fulfil the criteria for a parasite as it is not an outside invading agent, it is a union between a human sperm cell and a human ovum.

Unless you also wish to argue that sperms are parasites and only a sperm is needed without a ovum to procreate.

Finaly some sense will have come to that "debate" before I go to bed.

Still doesnt mean much.

While calling parasites is wrong, the fact of the matter is that a pregnancy is risky and health complications may arise which makes a woman abort the fetus, miscarriages, and also several other factors that they are not willing to face, medical or non medical.

[Diopolis]

It's just an extension of the reality show "attention is always good, no matter the cost" mentality. So even if I had liked abortion(I don't, and I'm sure that does affect my feelings on the matter, but I'm trying to be objective), I would still find this disgusting. Abortion is incredibly personal- sharing it with random people who don't need to know is a bad thing, end of story.

[Grave_n_idle]

You're being absolutely rediculous.

You realize that there is literally zero difference between killing a 9 month old fetus a minute before it's born, and a new born baby, right?

Since someone has already showed you the physiological differences... I'm going to have to realize that you don't know what 'literally' means.

[Resora]

but I'm trying to be objective

No, you really aren't, because your immediate reaction was to claim it's an attention ploy when in the video itself she states that it's activism.

[Grave_n_idle]

Ok I quit arguing. I am for the choice but seeing how american prochoice are fanatics I understand you have so mny people against abortion

I love the idea of a fanatical pro-choice position.

Do you want to choose? YES YOU DO!!!!

[The Fascist American Empire]

Go instruct yourself biologicaly dude. If foetus would be parasite then most vertabrae would be considered parasite..

You just answer cold heartly or without logic.

In Canada we have very few prolifers and elective abortions stop at24 weeks

"An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host." is the definition of a parasite.

A fetus grows, feeds, and is sheltered in a woman while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

Yes, kids are parasites, but so are stupid people… and lazy people on welfare (and don't act like there aren't those kinds of people out there)… and all the people in hospitals. Do we do a twice yearly purge to eradicate them? No? Ok then.

Also, a developing baby is, more often than not, the same species as the mother. Thus, unless you can provide evidence of a leech feeding on another leech, a tapeworm feeding off another tapeworm, etc. I doubt that the parasite argument can ever be taken seriously.

Edit: Also, that isn't the definition of a parasite. A parasite is when the host is harmed in some way.

[Mavorpen]

Abortion is incredibly personal- sharing it with random people who don't need to know is a bad thing, end of story.

No it isn't. I've seen videos of heart surgery. This is no more personal than that.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

It's just an extension of the reality show "attention is always good, no matter the cost" mentality. So even if I had liked abortion(I don't, and I'm sure that does affect my feelings on the matter, but I'm trying to be objective), I would still find this disgusting. Abortion is incredibly personal- sharing it with random people who don't need to know is a bad thing, end of story.

It's only personal if you want it to be personal. It's just a choice. "I was pregnant, I chose not to give birth." wow so pursunul

[Mavorpen]

Also, a developing baby is, more often than not, the same species as the mother[...]

I'll say this again: parasitism is not restricted to organisms of the same species. Kleptoparasitism exists, you know.