Emily Letts abortion video

[Shie]

In Canada, there is no elective abortion past 24 weeks

Good.

[Liriena]

This thread embodies everything that is wrong with abortion/right to life/right to choice/whatever debates.

I love it when users decide to just drop into a debate and shit all over it, apparently utterly uninterested in actually participating in it.

[Pilotto]

I find it odd that you do not consider a fully-formed fetus to be "sentient."

And?

How are they any less sentient than a temporarily unconscious person?

[Pilotto]

What do you mean? You cannot claim in one post that the government has the power to decide what rights you have, and then in the next say the government cannot.

He means that if the government decides that the elderly do not have the right to life, then the elderly don't have the right to life.

Well that's... sick, actually.

[Citizens of the future]

Go instruct yourself biologicaly dude. If foetus would be parasite then most vertabrae would be considered parasite..

You just answer cold heartly or without logic.

In Canada we have very few prolifers and elective abortions stop at24 weeks

[Lamaredia]

And?

How are they any less sentient than a temporarily unconscious person?

The temporarily unconscious person can is still sentient.

"Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or to experience subjectivity" which they can still do.

[Mavorpen]

And?

How are they any less sentient than a temporarily unconscious person?

Sentience is something you don't lose until death.

[Mavorpen]

He means that if the government decides that the elderly do not have the right to life, then the elderly don't have the right to life.

Well that's... sick, actually.

Reality is cruel, isn't it?

[Lamaredia]

Go instruct yourself biologicaly dude. If foetus would be parasite then most vertabrae would be considered parasite..

You just answer cold heartly or without logic.

In Canada we have very few prolifers and elective abortions stop at24 weeks

"An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host." is the definition of a parasite.

A fetus grows, feeds, and is sheltered in a woman while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

[Resora]

Damn, this woman has guts. I'd be too afraid of getting shot by some nutty evangelical that fancies himself the "fetus avenger of the Lord" or whatever to do something this controversial in a public setting. Good on her.

[Pilotto]

Well that's... sick, actually.

Reality is cruel, isn't it?

If that is the justification that you want to use to justify your position, that the government should have the ability to select who has the right to life and who doesn't, than that's your deal. Please, never ever vote.

[Citizens of the future]

I find it odd that you do not consider a fully-formed fetus to be "sentient."

Considering that it doesn't fill the requirements for being sentient, it isn't that odd.

"Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or to experience subjectivity", something that fetuses can't do.

I like the "or"They do perceive. Scientifcaly proven.

[Mavorpen]

Go instruct yourself biologicaly dude. If foetus would be parasite then most vertabrae would be considered parasite..

You just answer cold heartly or without logic.

In Canada we have very few prolifers and elective abortions stop at24 weeks

Considering you're the one who made the bullshit claim that parasites can only be between two different species, we're not the ones who need instruction on biology.

[Pilotto]

How are they any less sentient than a temporarily unconscious person?

Sentience is something you don't lose until death.

Really? How can you perceive and react to your surroundings if you're unconscious?

[Mavorpen]

Reality is cruel, isn't it?

If that is the justification that you want to use to justify your position, that the government should have the ability to select who has the right to life and who doesn't, than that's your deal. Please, never ever vote.

You REALLY can't go a single post without erecting a straw man, huh?

[Lamaredia]

Considering that it doesn't fill the requirements for being sentient, it isn't that odd.

"Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or to experience subjectivity", something that fetuses can't do.

I like the "or"They do perceive. Scientifcaly proven.

If it is so scientifically (you spelt it wrong) proven that fetuses can perceive subjectivity , source it.

[Pilotto]

If that is the justification that you want to use to justify your position, that the government should have the ability to select who has the right to life and who doesn't, than that's your deal. Please, never ever vote.

You REALLY can't go a single post without erecting a straw man, huh?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Why? What rationale for that statement do you have?

There is no "rationale." My government has not granted fetuses the right to live. It therefore doesn't have rights. This isn't complex.

Okay. And what if the government decides that the elderly do not have the right to life?

Then they don't. It's that simple, really.

[Mavorpen]

Considering that it doesn't fill the requirements for being sentient, it isn't that odd.

"Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or to experience subjectivity", something that fetuses can't do.

I like the "or"They do perceive. Scientifcaly proven.

No they don't. Unless you want to argue plants are sentient.

[Citizens of the future]

Ok I quit arguing. I am for the choice but seeing how american prochoice are fanatics I understand you have so mny people against abortion

[Mavorpen]

You REALLY can't go a single post without erecting a straw man, huh?

Are you fucking kidding me?

There is no "rationale." My government has not granted fetuses the right to live. It therefore doesn't have rights. This isn't complex.

Then they don't. It's that simple, really.

Neither of those posts says ANYTHING about that being the justification for my position.

That's something you made up in your head to pretend as though you have a shred of any chance of making a coherent argument against me.

[Lamaredia]

Ok I quit arguing. I am for the choice but seeing how american prochoice are fanatics I understand you have so mny people against abortion

You never argued in the first place.

[Pilotto]

Are you fucking kidding me?

Neither of those posts says ANYTHING about that being the justification for my position.

That's something you made up in your head to pretend as though you have a shred of any chance of making a coherent argument against me.

You do know that anyone who cares too can look back at your quotes and see through the bullshit and the lies in this post, right?

[Citizens of the future]

Late Foetus perceive sensations and as baby think everything is themselves. Psychology.

[Mavorpen]

Sentience is something you don't lose until death.

Really? How can you perceive and react to your surroundings if you're unconscious?

You do know that "unconsciousness" as you're talking about has nothing to do with the notion of implicit cognition, right?

[Resora]

Neither of those posts says ANYTHING about that being the justification for my position.

That's something you made up in your head to pretend as though you have a shred of any chance of making a coherent argument against me.

You do know that anyone who cares too can look back at your quotes and see through the bullshit and the lies in this post, right?

Dude, he's obviously distinguishing between a fetus and a human being. He believe the government has the right to choose whether a fetus lives or dies. He doesn't believe it has the right to arbitrarily choose whether or not a human being lives or dies.

It's not complicated.