Emily Letts abortion video

[Pilotto]

And how is a viable fetus moments before birth neither of these things? You were the one who attempted to claim that the only right to life that anyone has is bestowed by the government. By this argument, a government could decide to take the life of any person or group of people and be justified, because they no-longer have any such right to life.

Stop erecting straw men. I said governments decide who have rights or not. I didn't say this would ALWAYS be legitimate from a logical standpoint.

Way to talk out of both sides of your face. Do governments decide who get to have what rights, or do they not?

[Mavorpen]

Stop erecting straw men. I said governments decide who have rights or not. I didn't say this would ALWAYS be legitimate from a logical standpoint.

Way to talk out of both sides of your face. Do governments decide who get to have what rights, or do they not?

They do. Did you even TRY to read that post?

[Lamaredia]

Elders are sentien, fetuses are not.

Try again please.

*cough*alzheimer's*cough*

Unless I'm mistaken (which I am not) Alzheimer's does not limit sentience. It limits memory, and a few other things but not sentience.

Try again.

[Citizens of the future]

In the states there is different court judgements but the one which wins is the mother health and she can even argue stomach ache up to 9 months

[Mavorpen]

Elders are sentien, fetuses are not.

Try again please.

*cough*alzheimer's*cough*

What about it? It doesn't make you not sentient.

[The Flood]

Because human life > autonomy, it's really that simple.

Except that, in the eyes of jurisprudence, that is not true. Human rights have no hierarchy.

It makes no sense to value any human right higher then life. The most important thing any human being possesses is their life.

Jurists disagree. All rights are equally important.

So, then, someone spying on you (violating your privacy right) is just as bad as someone stabbing you in the back 87 times (violating your right to life by killing you)?

[Pilotto]

And how is a viable fetus moments before birth neither of these things? You were the one who attempted to claim that the only right to life that anyone has is bestowed by the government. By this argument, a government could decide to take the life of any person or group of people and be justified, because they no-longer have any such right to life.

Because a fetus isn't a sentient person until after they are born? How many times do we have to repeat this?

And how does that affect your right to life?

[Lamaredia]

Because a fetus isn't a sentient person until after they are born? How many times do we have to repeat this?

And how does that affect your right to life?

It affect a woman's right to body sovereignty.

[Mavorpen]

Because a fetus isn't a sentient person until after they are born? How many times do we have to repeat this?

And how does that affect your right to life?

Simple really. If you aren't sentient, there's utterly no reason to place your life above others. It's the same reason you're allowed to eat burgers.

[Bythibus]

If that's not what you're arguing against, you're arguing an intentionally absurd positions.

Send someone else down the rabbit hole, I have no intentions of following.

I'm sorry, why would it be preferable to have two dead people as opposed to just one?

Yes, exactly.

[Citizens of the future]

A foetus is not a parasite!!!

For dog sake

It is. It fits every definition of a parasite.

A parasite is not your specie end of the line. You could say it is like a cancer maybe

[Pilotto]

Way to talk out of both sides of your face. Do governments decide who get to have what rights, or do they not?

They do. Did you even TRY to read that post?

Okay. And what if the government decides that the elderly do not have the right to life?

[Bythibus]

And how does that affect your right to life?

It affect a woman's right to body sovereignty.

And to he'll with anyone who tries to force me to do something with my body.

[Lamaredia]

It is. It fits every definition of a parasite.

A parasite is not your specie end of the line. You could say it is like a cancer maybe

That's not how it works. A parasite is something that lives off something other. A fetus lives off of the mother, by taking nutrients from her.

[Mavorpen]

They do. Did you even TRY to read that post?

Okay. And what if the government decides that the elderly do not have the right to life?

Then they don't. It's that simple, really.

[Liriena]

Except that, in the eyes of jurisprudence, that is not true. Human rights have no hierarchy.

Jurists disagree. All rights are equally important.

So, then, someone spying on you (violating your privacy right) is just as bad as someone stabbing you in the back 87 times (violating your right to life by killing you)?

Just as bad in the sense that both of those human rights violations would be equally deserving of condemnation. Both would be equally deserving of being punished, even if the sentence would not be the same.

[Lamaredia]

And how does that affect your right to life?

Simple really. If you aren't sentient, there's utterly no reason to place your life above others. It's the same reason you're allowed to eat burgers.

Let us not forget the difference between sentience and sapience.

[Mavorpen]

It is. It fits every definition of a parasite.

A parasite is not your specie end of the line. You could say it is like a cancer maybe

Wrong. Kleptoparasitism

[OMGeverynameistaken]

This thread embodies everything that is wrong with abortion/right to life/right to choice/whatever debates.

[Pilotto]

And how does that affect your right to life?

Simple really. If you aren't sentient, there's utterly no reason to place your life above others. It's the same reason you're allowed to eat burgers.

I find it odd that you do not consider a fully-formed fetus to be "sentient."

[Lamaredia]

Simple really. If you aren't sentient, there's utterly no reason to place your life above others. It's the same reason you're allowed to eat burgers.

I find it odd that you do not consider a fully-formed fetus to be "sentient."

Considering that it doesn't fill the requirements for being sentient, it isn't that odd.

"Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or to experience subjectivity", something that fetuses can't do.

[Mavorpen]

Simple really. If you aren't sentient, there's utterly no reason to place your life above others. It's the same reason you're allowed to eat burgers.

I find it odd that you do not consider a fully-formed fetus to be "sentient."

And?

[Pilotto]

Okay. And what if the government decides that the elderly do not have the right to life?

Then they don't. It's that simple, really.

What do you mean? You cannot claim in one post that the government has the power to decide what rights you have, and then in the next say the government cannot.

[Lamaredia]

Then they don't. It's that simple, really.

What do you mean? You cannot claim in one post that the government has the power to decide what rights you have, and then in the next say the government cannot.

He means that if the government decides that the elderly do not have the right to life, then the elderly don't have the right to life.

[Mavorpen]

Then they don't. It's that simple, really.

What do you mean? You cannot claim in one post that the government has the power to decide what rights you have, and then in the next say the government cannot.

It's a good thing I never said they do not.