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The Flood
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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 6:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Flood wrote:You're opinion is indefensible. Why on Earth should it be legal to kill a fetus that can survive outside of the womb?!

Medical emergency, as another poster already pointed out.
Also, it's "your", not "you're".
Don't correct my grammar, I know the difference, it's a typo, that I just happened to make twice.
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Postby Bythibus » Fri May 09, 2014 6:33 pm

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Citizens of the future wrote:Well it was questionned of a 9 months pregnancy,,, and stop pretendig you are a girl you are just a troll

A female on the internet?m why those are illegal!

Sorry to busrt your buble boys, but the ladies came to make you share.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 09, 2014 6:33 pm

The Flood wrote:
Liriena wrote:What about the human right to control our own bodies? Why does something that is forcefully infringing upon my human rights get a free pass just because it may die because of it?
Because human life > autonomy, it's really that simple. It makes no sense to value any human right higher then life. The most important thing any human being possesses is their life.


So then you feel that people should be required to donate organs, blood, plasma, etc?
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 09, 2014 6:33 pm

My primary argument for the right to choice, abortion, and bodily autonomy is this: abortion rates would not decline if it were illegal, it is estimated before Roe v Wade that between 200,000 to 1.2 million abortions occurred, with a much higher rate of women dying. As a male, and I continue to say this, I hope to never and will always do my utmost never to put a women in a situation where she has to choose or where I influence her decision.

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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 6:34 pm

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The Flood wrote:Could you stop dodging his question, and just tell us, do you support late term abortions (of fetuses that can survive outside of the womb) for reasons other then saving the mother's life?

I wasn't dodging his question, he wasn't even asking that.
I support the decision of the mother. That is all.
You're still dodging the question.
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Postby Citizens of the future » Fri May 09, 2014 6:34 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Pilotto wrote:No, she doesn't.


Quite the strawman please. For one thing by the time you have reached a 9 month fetus, abortion is a much less viable option considering the difficulties in removing a fetus that large.




Exactly, illegal from the doctor point of view: can't harm.

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Postby Bythibus » Fri May 09, 2014 6:34 pm

The Flood wrote:
Bythibus wrote:I wasn't dodging his question, he wasn't even asking that.
I support the decision of the mother. That is all.
You're still dodging the question.

No, I gave you my answer. I support the decision of the mother.
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Postby Pilotto » Fri May 09, 2014 6:35 pm

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Pilotto wrote:You have yet to sufficiently explain what the difference is. I see no distinction whatsoever between aborting a nine month old fetus and taking a weapon into a day-care and murdering a child. None whatsoever.

I've already explained my view: personhood begins with individual identity, and individual identity begins with birth, not viability.

How exactly does having an individual identity give you the right to life?

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 09, 2014 6:35 pm

Citizens of the future wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Quite the strawman please. For one thing by the time you have reached a 9 month fetus, abortion is a much less viable option considering the difficulties in removing a fetus that large.




Exactly, illegal from the doctor point of view: can't harm.


No it isn't. The Hippocratic oath is non-binding.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 09, 2014 6:35 pm

Bythibus wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:A female on the internet?! Why those are illegal!

Sorry to busrt your buble boys, but the ladies came to make you share.

Not that I'm complaining or anything... :p

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Postby Citizens of the future » Fri May 09, 2014 6:35 pm

Heille toi le Québécois caves vas te couché !!!

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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 6:36 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Flood wrote:Because human life > autonomy, it's really that simple. It makes no sense to value any human right higher then life. The most important thing any human being possesses is their life.
So then you feel that people should be required to donate organs, blood, plasma, etc?
Not organs, but possibly blood plasma.

The situation is also not comparable, having an organ forcibly removed is far worse then temporarily having to undergo the natural process of bearing a child.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri May 09, 2014 6:36 pm

Citizens of the future wrote:
Bythibus wrote:What hum? Where? Is the hum over here or over there? Is the hum dum? Does it have a drum? Can you roll it on it's bum? Does the hum take a tums for his bum when he drinks too much rum?

No, they are not.

Well it was questionned of a 9 months pregnancy,,, and stop pretendig you are a girl you are just a troll

One would not look to Bythibus as the troll here. :p

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Postby Citizens of the future » Fri May 09, 2014 6:37 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Citizens of the future wrote:


Exactly, illegal from the doctor point of view: can't harm.


No it isn't. The Hippocratic oath is non-binding.



Find a doctor who will do it , insurance.

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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 09, 2014 6:38 pm

Citizens of the future wrote:Heille toi le Québécois caves vas te couché !!!

Je ne suis pas français.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri May 09, 2014 6:38 pm

Citizens of the future wrote:Heille toi le Québécois caves vas te couché !!!

Just because a poster has a Quebec flag...

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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 6:38 pm

Bythibus wrote:
The Flood wrote:You're still dodging the question.

No, I gave you my answer. I support the decision of the mother.
So you do support killing fetuses 1 day before birth for non life threatening reasons?
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri May 09, 2014 6:39 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Citizens of the future wrote:Heille toi le Québécois caves vas te couché !!!

Je ne suis pas français.

Dommage. :(

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 09, 2014 6:39 pm

The Flood wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:So then you feel that people should be required to donate organs, blood, plasma, etc?
Not organs, but possibly blood plasma.

The situation is also not comparable, having an organ forcibly removed is far worse then temporarily having to undergo the natural process of bearing a child.


Not really, after all you don't need both kidneys. And also, pregnancy is a state that can permanently affect the human body. So you believe people should be required to donate, despite their religious beliefs, despite their personal beliefs, despite their owning their own body.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 09, 2014 6:39 pm

Citizens of the future wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
No it isn't. The Hippocratic oath is non-binding.



Find a doctor who will do it , insurance.


You are making no sense.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 09, 2014 6:41 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Je ne suis pas français.

Dommage. :(

Eh, well I wish I was.

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Postby The Flood » Fri May 09, 2014 6:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Flood wrote:Not organs, but possibly blood plasma.
The situation is also not comparable, having an organ forcibly removed is far worse then temporarily having to undergo the natural process of bearing a child.

Not really, after all you don't need both kidneys. And also, pregnancy is a state that can permanently affect the human body. So you believe people should be required to donate, despite their religious beliefs, despite their personal beliefs, despite their owning their own body.
You do need both kidneys, you have two for a reason. The body is weaker with only one, and you also need the second one in case the other one fails, or you'll die.

If there was a severe blood shortage and tons of people were dying, and no one was donating, then yes, it should be made mandatory for the sake of saving lives. Religious beliefs could be exempted, and fines could be applied to those who refused, and incentives to those who did not refuse.

Just like vaccinations ought to be mandatory under certain circumstances.
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Postby Bythibus » Fri May 09, 2014 6:46 pm

The Flood wrote:
Bythibus wrote:No, I gave you my answer. I support the decision of the mother.
So you do support killing fetuses 1 day before birth for non life threatening reasons?

Not buying it, sorry.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 09, 2014 6:49 pm

The Flood wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Not really, after all you don't need both kidneys. And also, pregnancy is a state that can permanently affect the human body. So you believe people should be required to donate, despite their religious beliefs, despite their personal beliefs, despite their owning their own body.
You do need both kidneys, you have two for a reason. The body is weaker with only one, and you also need the second one in case the other one fails, or you'll die.

If there was a severe blood shortage and tons of people were dying, and no one was donating, then yes, it should be made mandatory for the sake of saving lives. Religious beliefs could be exempted, and fines could be applied to those who refused, and incentives to those who did not refuse.

Just like vaccinations ought to be mandatory under certain circumstances.


I see, so the fact that there are often severe complications due to pregnancy (and I don't mean just while pregnant) does not also say that women should not be required to continue a pregnancy, but the possible complications and issues of giving up 1 kidney (something that is also fairly common) means people should not be required to donate a kidney...that makes no sense.
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Postby Pilotto » Fri May 09, 2014 6:54 pm

Bythibus wrote:
The Flood wrote:So you do support killing fetuses 1 day before birth for non life threatening reasons?

Not buying it, sorry.

Way to avoid answering the question. Do you believe that partial-birth abortion should be legal, or do you not?

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