Emily Letts abortion video

[Scomagia]

"Cultural Marxism" is pure anti-thought newspeak.

And I am proudly publicly pro-choice, because it is absolutely immoral and sexist to deny women the right to remove unwanted parasites from their body, especially for theocratic reasons.

A fetus isn't a parasite.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parasite

It fits.

[Scholmeria]

Lol, to be fair me to.

Yeah, implying you'd want someone else to never be born, that's flaming sunshine.

Luckily for you I don't care enough.

Wait, a second. Your are pro-abortion so how can you be flamed if someone is cheering if a woman has an abortion?

[Scomagia]

You are just moving the goalposts because you have been proven wrong more than once.

The point is that the fetus, before it even has a heartbeat, developed organs, or developed brain function are not human. They are just cells.

After they have reached that level of maturity they are recognized for all intent and purposes as human biologically. Your argument about 8 year olds, people on a coma, and brain dead people along with the people who cannot feel pain are sincerely pointless.

Then what makes it human life? A change in location from the womb to the outside world?

The ability to exist outside of the womb.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

A fetus isn't a parasite.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parasite

It fits.

It's a bit more nuanced, but at the most basic point fetuses are parasites, no doubt about it.

Now, if we really wanted to go into that nuanced trail of thought...

[Death Metal]

Yeah, implying you'd want someone else to never be born, that's flaming sunshine.

Luckily for you I don't care enough.

Wait, a second. Your are pro-abortion so how can you be flamed if someone is cheering if a woman has an abortion?

Again, you implied that you wished that I was never born. That's a direct inflammatory insult.

[Grave_n_idle]

Why would she upload something as personal as an abortion onto YouTube?

Seems rather... odd.

It's only a couple of minutes long, and she actually answers that question.

[Pilotto]

So are you not alive until you have reached puberty? Don't be ridiculous.

I noticed you avoided all the rest of the points made related to this. What's the matter? Don't have an answer?

I'm sorry that I don't have the time to read through what was then a 27 page thread and respond to everyone's argument.
I did see this, however:

life
līf/
noun
1. the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

Okay, maybe you don't understand the question. How is this different than ovulating? The usage of the poster you were slapping your face over was referring to the fact that no death occurs when there isn't a life. We don't have funerals for ovulation. Or the removal of an appendix. Or for spontaneously aborted fetuses. We have funerals for babies. Even the most staunch anti-choicers don't have funerals for aborted fetuses.

There was no "question". The post that I responded with a to (not good debating form, I'll admit) claimed that a fetus is not something that is physically alive. That is objectively bullshit. The question in regards to whether or not abortion should be legal boils down to this: is an unborn fetus something worthy of the right to life?

[Scomagia]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parasite

It fits.

It's a bit more nuanced, but at the most basic point fetuses are parasites, no doubt about it.

Now, if we really wanted to go into that nuanced trail of thought...

You can go into that trail of thought, if you like. Me, I'm quite finished here, seeing as how anti-abortionists have again shown their inability to use reason to argue their point.

[Grave_n_idle]

The question in regards to whether or not abortion should be legal boils down to this: is an unborn fetus something worthy of the right to life?

Not only is that not 'the question' - it's not even relevant.

Even if a foetus has a right to life, it doesn't trump anyone else's rights.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's a bit more nuanced, but at the most basic point fetuses are parasites, no doubt about it.

Now, if we really wanted to go into that nuanced trail of thought...

You can go into that trail of thought, if you like. Me, I'm quite finished here, seeing as how anti-abortionists have again shown their inability to use reason to argue their point.

Nah. It's not something that is worth several pages with anti-abortionists, really.

[Pilotto]

life
līf/
noun
1. the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

You are only deemed alive as a person if your brain functions.

I'm sure there are better sources but

http://www.bgnews.com/forum/personhood-begins-with-brain-waves-not-heartbeat/article_9ef17c04-5390-11e1-bc03-0019bb2963f4.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4078859

Fetal brain waves can be detected as early as day 40, and the fetus can feel pain at week eight.
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/overview-fetal-development

[Tlik]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parasite

It fits.

It's a bit more nuanced, but at the most basic point fetuses are parasites, no doubt about it.

Now, if we really wanted to go into that nuanced trail of thought...

To be honest, the problem is usually that we aren't being very nuanced about the issue. When one side starts shouting "It's a parasite", and the other side is shouting "It's the potential for life to be born", and then people who need abortions - and most people who have abortions have a pretty good reason for having an abortion - are stuck in the middle of what essentially becomes a war of abuse.

So yeah, fetuses are parasites, in exactly the same way that fetuses contain the potential for human life. I.E, it's correct, but it's not going to help anything, and we should actually start thinking about the nuances.

[Scholmeria]

Wait, a second. Your are pro-abortion so how can you be flamed if someone is cheering if a woman has an abortion?

Again, you implied that you wished that I was never born. That's a direct inflammatory insult.

1. Proove that.

2. Even if that is true. Why are you a hypocrat now, you were the one who want universal right on aboriton but yet feel somehow ofended if your mum preformed abortion when she was pregnant with you?(Such reasons are also why many dont agree with pro-choice)

So, be at least a person of principles and say "Yes, I am pro-choice and because of my ideology I am in favour if my mum preformed aboriton when she was about to shit me off"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's a bit more nuanced, but at the most basic point fetuses are parasites, no doubt about it.

Now, if we really wanted to go into that nuanced trail of thought...

To be honest, the problem is usually that we aren't being very nuanced about the issue. When one side starts shouting "It's a parasite", and the other side is shouting "It's the potential for life to be born", and then people who need abortions - and most people who have abortions have a pretty good reason for having an abortion - are stuck in the middle of what essentially becomes a war of abuse.

So yeah, fetuses are parasites, in exactly the same way that fetuses contain the potential for human life. I.E, it's correct, but it's not going to help anything, and we should actually start thinking about the nuances.

You have a good point there.

[Weaponized EMP Monopolies]

Just looked as a reflex to the number of likes, and hurriedly navigated away from the page. Hopefully i'll never know what it's about, but it sounds just like Raditz.

[Tlik]

To be honest, the problem is usually that we aren't being very nuanced about the issue. When one side starts shouting "It's a parasite", and the other side is shouting "It's the potential for life to be born", and then people who need abortions - and most people who have abortions have a pretty good reason for having an abortion - are stuck in the middle of what essentially becomes a war of abuse.

So yeah, fetuses are parasites, in exactly the same way that fetuses contain the potential for human life. I.E, it's correct, but it's not going to help anything, and we should actually start thinking about the nuances.

You have a good point there.

Don't tell anyone else you said that, lest the world empty itself of dogmatic shouting matches...

[Mavorpen]

You are only deemed alive as a person if your brain functions.

I'm sure there are better sources but

http://www.bgnews.com/forum/personhood-begins-with-brain-waves-not-heartbeat/article_9ef17c04-5390-11e1-bc03-0019bb2963f4.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4078859

Fetal brain waves can be detected as early as day 40, and the fetus can feel pain at week eight.
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/overview-fetal-development

Bullshit. Brain waves means nothing if they do not have the neural development necessary for pain.

[Pilotto]

The question in regards to whether or not abortion should be legal boils down to this: is an unborn fetus something worthy of the right to life?

Not only is that not 'the question' - it's not even relevant.

Even if a foetus has a right to life, it doesn't trump anyone else's rights.

My right to life means that you can't kill me without a very good reason, such as in self defense. So yes, if a fetus has the right to life, it's right to life trumps the rights of the mother.

[Pilotto]

Fetal brain waves can be detected as early as day 40, and the fetus can feel pain at week eight.
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/overview-fetal-development

Bullshit. Brain waves means nothing if they do not have the neural development necessary for pain.

Bullshit.
http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/
http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/fetal ... 2v2GFV7P2E

[Immoren]

Not only is that not 'the question' - it's not even relevant.

Even if a foetus has a right to life, it doesn't trump anyone else's rights.

My right to life means that you can't kill me without a very good reason, such as in self defense. So yes, if a fetus has the right to life, it's right to life trumps the rights of the mother.

Woman claims right to self defense vs fetus.
Obviously. It invaded her personal place

[Mavorpen]

Bullshit. Brain waves means nothing if they do not have the neural development necessary for pain.

Bullshit.
http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/
http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/fetal ... 2v2GFV7P2E

Thanks for proving that I was right and you were wrong. From your first source:

(2) By 8 weeks after fertilization, the unborn child reacts to touch. After 20 weeks, the unborn child reacts to stimuli that would be recognized as painful if applied to an adult human, for example by recoiling.

Fetuses thus react to touch at week 8, but do not feel pain until week 20. So once again, your claim was bullshit. Might want to read your sources next time.

[The Rhomaion]

Bullshit. Brain waves means nothing if they do not have the neural development necessary for pain.

Bullshit.
http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/
http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/fetal ... 2v2GFV7P2E

Your two sources argue that foetal pain can be felt in some way at week 20, not week 8, no?

[MERIZoC]

If you can find me an example of a parasite that isn't a species, I'll concede the point.

You've never heard of Kleptoparasitism have you?

Look right in the article:

Kleptoparasitism or cleptoparasitism (literally, parasitism by theft) is a form of feeding in which one animal takes prey or other food from another that has caught, collected, or otherwise prepared the food, including stored food (as in the case of cuckoo bees, which lay their eggs on the pollen masses made by other bees). The term is also used to describe the stealing of nest material or other inanimate objects from one animal by another.

It describes a relationship between animals.

[The Rhomaion]

You've never heard of Kleptoparasitism have you?

Look right in the article:

Kleptoparasitism or cleptoparasitism (literally, parasitism by theft) is a form of feeding in which one animal takes prey or other food from another that has caught, collected, or otherwise prepared the food, including stored food (as in the case of cuckoo bees, which lay their eggs on the pollen masses made by other bees). The term is also used to describe the stealing of nest material or other inanimate objects from one animal by another.

It describes a relationship between animals.

Humans are animals. This is basic biology.

[Mavorpen]

You've never heard of Kleptoparasitism have you?

Look right in the article:

Kleptoparasitism or cleptoparasitism (literally, parasitism by theft) is a form of feeding in which one animal takes prey or other food from another that has caught, collected, or otherwise prepared the food, including stored food (as in the case of cuckoo bees, which lay their eggs on the pollen masses made by other bees). The term is also used to describe the stealing of nest material or other inanimate objects from one animal by another.

It describes a relationship between animals.

What the fuck does that have to do with the fact that it's parasitism that can be between two organisms of the same species?