James Cameron's Avatar... is Bad?

[United Marktoria]

It looks like amazing CGI. But the plot is something I might not like. I don't know. I might see it one day.

[Ashmoria]

It looks like amazing CGI. But the plot is something I might not like. I don't know. I might see it one day.

thing is, if you want to see it you should see it on the big screen. preferably IMAX. the special effects are everything in this movie.

if a crappy plot would ruin the movie for you then you should probably never bother with it.

[F1-Insanity]

...
2. It's written and directed by James Cameron. Which means, if Titanic is anything to go by, this movie'll
... d. Have a piss-poor plot so full of holes you could sail the Titanic through;

not with an iceberg in the way you couldn't

Final score from 1912: iceberg 1 titanic 0

[SaintB]

I liked it, but its not the second coming of Cinema Christ or anything.

[United Marktoria]

It looks like amazing CGI. But the plot is something I might not like. I don't know. I might see it one day.

thing is, if you want to see it you should see it on the big screen. preferably IMAX. the special effects are everything in this movie.

if a crappy plot would ruin the movie for you then you should probably never bother with it.

I don't have an IMAX theater around where i live.
Anyway, I have a lot of friends who want me to go see it. But... I don't know. I will probably enjoy the special effects, but there wouldn't be a good plot. I mean, look at Starwars! It has a great plot(though, not totally original) and combined a series of new, amazing special effects of its day to keep the audience on its seat. Especially in the Prequeal. If you just have a good Plot, with hardly no special effects, the majority of people will like it, but not fall die hard in love with it. Then, movies with an underdeveloped plot but state of the art Special Effects, people go crazy for it, but it eventually dies out. Because somebody will just top Avatar one day, and then everyone will go ape shit crazy for that movie. Movies with amazing plots, and state of the art special effects will become classics that people want to see over and over again.

[Ashmoria]

It looks like amazing CGI. But the plot is something I might not like. I don't know. I might see it one day.

thing is, if you want to see it you should see it on the big screen. preferably IMAX. the special effects are everything in this movie.

if a crappy plot would ruin the movie for you then you should probably never bother with it.

I don't have an IMAX theater around where i live.
Anyway, I have a lot of friends who want me to go see it. But... I don't know. I will probably enjoy the special effects, but there wouldn't be a good plot. I mean, look at Starwars! It has a great plot(though, not totally original) and combined a series of new, amazing special effects of its day to keep the audience on its seat. Especially in the Prequeal. If you just have a good Plot, with hardly no special effects, the majority of people will like it, but not fall die hard in love with it. Then, movies with an underdeveloped plot but state of the art Special Effects, people go crazy for it, but it eventually dies out. Because somebody will just top Avatar one day, and then everyone will go ape shit crazy for that movie. Movies with amazing plots, and state of the art special effects will become classics that people want to see over and over again.

oh well if you think that star wars is GOOD maybe you ought to give this thing a chance

[Greed and Death]

It looks like amazing CGI. But the plot is something I might not like. I don't know. I might see it one day.

thing is, if you want to see it you should see it on the big screen. preferably IMAX. the special effects are everything in this movie.

if a crappy plot would ruin the movie for you then you should probably never bother with it.

I don't have an IMAX theater around where i live.
Anyway, I have a lot of friends who want me to go see it. But... I don't know. I will probably enjoy the special effects, but there wouldn't be a good plot. I mean, look at Starwars! It has a great plot(though, not totally original) and combined a series of new, amazing special effects of its day to keep the audience on its seat. Especially in the Prequeal. If you just have a good Plot, with hardly no special effects, the majority of people will like it, but not fall die hard in love with it. Then, movies with an underdeveloped plot but state of the art Special Effects, people go crazy for it, but it eventually dies out. Because somebody will just top Avatar one day, and then everyone will go ape shit crazy for that movie. Movies with amazing plots, and state of the art special effects will become classics that people want to see over and over again.

oh well if you think that star wars is GOOD maybe you ought to give this thing a chance

4 5 and 6 are good.
1 2 and 3 are travesty.

[Ashmoria]

It looks like amazing CGI. But the plot is something I might not like. I don't know. I might see it one day.

thing is, if you want to see it you should see it on the big screen. preferably IMAX. the special effects are everything in this movie.

if a crappy plot would ruin the movie for you then you should probably never bother with it.

I don't have an IMAX theater around where i live.
Anyway, I have a lot of friends who want me to go see it. But... I don't know. I will probably enjoy the special effects, but there wouldn't be a good plot. I mean, look at Starwars! It has a great plot(though, not totally original) and combined a series of new, amazing special effects of its day to keep the audience on its seat. Especially in the Prequeal. If you just have a good Plot, with hardly no special effects, the majority of people will like it, but not fall die hard in love with it. Then, movies with an underdeveloped plot but state of the art Special Effects, people go crazy for it, but it eventually dies out. Because somebody will just top Avatar one day, and then everyone will go ape shit crazy for that movie. Movies with amazing plots, and state of the art special effects will become classics that people want to see over and over again.

oh well if you think that star wars is GOOD maybe you ought to give this thing a chance

4 5 and 6 are good.
1 2 and 3 are travesty.

they are all quite thin. they got worse as lucas' ego grew

[Greed and Death]

It looks like amazing CGI. But the plot is something I might not like. I don't know. I might see it one day.

thing is, if you want to see it you should see it on the big screen. preferably IMAX. the special effects are everything in this movie.

if a crappy plot would ruin the movie for you then you should probably never bother with it.

I don't have an IMAX theater around where i live.
Anyway, I have a lot of friends who want me to go see it. But... I don't know. I will probably enjoy the special effects, but there wouldn't be a good plot. I mean, look at Starwars! It has a great plot(though, not totally original) and combined a series of new, amazing special effects of its day to keep the audience on its seat. Especially in the Prequeal. If you just have a good Plot, with hardly no special effects, the majority of people will like it, but not fall die hard in love with it. Then, movies with an underdeveloped plot but state of the art Special Effects, people go crazy for it, but it eventually dies out. Because somebody will just top Avatar one day, and then everyone will go ape shit crazy for that movie. Movies with amazing plots, and state of the art special effects will become classics that people want to see over and over again.

oh well if you think that star wars is GOOD maybe you ought to give this thing a chance

4 5 and 6 are good.
1 2 and 3 are travesty.

they are all quite thin. they got worse as lucas' ego grew

Well 6 was beginning to become a flop.
However I find 5 to be the best.

[Aldobrandeschi]

I was just going to make a thread asking people if it's worth seeing. I've not seen it. I was considering going but two things are making me baulk:
1. The ticket prices are ridiculously high here. It's almost double the normal price because it's 3-D and 3+ hours long. What with travelling, and the usual vittals necessary for movie-going, I'll be spending close to the equivalent of $35US. For a movie. For me to consider parting with that much dosh, it needs to be an extremely great movie.

2. It's written and directed by James Cameron. Which means, if Titanic is anything to go by, this movie'll
a. Be at least an hour too long;
b. Be self-indulgent twaddle;
c. Be over-wrought and sodden with simplistic & simple-minded moralising;
d. Have a piss-poor plot so full of holes you could sail the Titanic through;
e. Be stuffed full of 2-dimensional characters (more caricarture than character) emoting and chewing the scenery;
f. Have dialogue so painful, so cheesy and so banal one wonders if it's not in fact a parody on bad movie-making;
g. Have 2 hours of mind-numbing dullness building up towards the climax of an hour or so of total action. The knowledge of impending cool special effects and big explosions is to ensure the male theatre goer remains in the theatre while the drippy love story being played out in the first 2 hours is there to entertain the female theatre goer. I notice the trailers focus almost solely on, what I'm assuming, will be the final battle scenes. Which makes one wonder what happens to get us to that point and why is it not worth promoting.

I've only seen the trailers and already I can see one major plothole that perhaps someone who has seen it can explain. And this is: Why is it, when humanity has achieved the technology to allow them to transverse intergalactic space, to create massive war machines: robots, hoverships, laser cannons etc, and to be able to clone and create lifeforms and transfer a person's consciousness into it then why the hell is the main character stuck in a 20th Century wheelchair? Am I really meant to believe that with all these major advances in science and technology and biology, no-one's managed to make a better wheelchair? Let alone not have advanced surgery enough to repair spinal injuries? Least they could have done is put him in a floating jet chair.
Seems to me, the only reason he's in the wheelchair is to give his character depth and pathos (thus going from 1 dimension all the way up to 1.5) and to give him a reason for siding with the blue aliens against the nasty evil humans. I would not be surprised if there's even a scene in the movie where his blue love interest tells him the humans are crippling them by destroying their forest but he doesn't know what that's like. Because one could ever accuse James Cameron of subtlety.

But of course I could be wrong. So if anyone has seen, what are your reviews?


I was dismayed to read a review of the new Sherlock Holmes movie as 'being Snatch meets Holmes!"
If ever there was a sentence designed to keep me as far from a theatre as possible twould be this one. Snatch was a truly awful movie,: the cry of a pathetically uncool person (Guy Ritchie) desperately trying to be cool. It was akin to an overweight 35 yr old getting into a 'John Travolta circa 1978' white suit and heading down to the local night club, thinking the entire time he's hip and cool.
Having just watched the trailer, it's not so much 'Snatch meets Homes' as 'Snatch v1.5'. There were scenes that I swear must have come from Snatch cutting room floor.

wow so correct me if im wrong, but ur going to let a tiny detail like a weelchair ruin a movie for u? cmon man

[Ashmoria]

Well 6 was beginning to become a flop.
However I find 5 to be the best.

as do i. but its still not good.

[Greed and Death]

Well 6 was beginning to become a flop.
However I find 5 to be the best.

as do i. but its still not good.

Blasphemy!!!!

[Ashmoria]

Well 6 was beginning to become a flop.
However I find 5 to be the best.

as do i. but its still not good.

Blasphemy!!!!

lol

for a long time i assumed it was because harrison ford couldnt act but then he was in other movies where it was obvious that he can. so i realized that it was all george lucas sucking.

[Dreumia]

Alright, I guessed the plotline from the preview.

Ebul humans come to destroy forest
Ebul humans clone marine person to help destroy the Noble Indian smurfs
Marine loves Indians smurfs
Forest saved, ebul humans wrong.
Marine is happy as an Indian smurf.

[Straughn]

Well 6 was beginning to become a flop.
However I find 5 to be the best.

as do i. but its still not good.

Blasphemy!!!!

I liked 3 enough to watch it more than once in a year, as i did with 2, as i always do with 5, but not as much with the others.
Fuck, i can quote every line in sequence with 5 i've watched it too many times (Monty Python as well, obviously) Not so memorable with 2 and 3, but that's not really why i watch them. Other than the Bush-isms from 3, but that's kinda my point, is it's something to watch with my little dudes.

[Straughn]

Thank you for a simplistic view of a movie based on ads. I actually like it a lot. The plot may have been done many times before, but Shakespeare said that there were really only 7 plots/stories out there.

Did he? I think that's an urban legend.

It was a good movie. You can tell it wasn't a committee movie either.

Committee?
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/214550_f120.jpg

"A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled."

--Sir Barnett Cocks.

[Verdigroth]

Alright, I guessed the plotline from the preview.

Ebul humans come to destroy forest
Ebul humans clone marine person to help destroy the Noble Indian smurfs
Marine loves Indians smurfs
Forest saved, ebul humans wrong.
Marine is happy as an Indian smurf.

Actually the come to mine for a rare mineral
Cloned to convince smurfs to move from big ore deposit
that one is good
not so much, but they save an uplink, and kick many humans off planet
happier not necessarily happy all the way.

[Playing In The Water]

I've only seen the trailers and already I can see one major plothole that perhaps someone who has seen it can explain. And this is: Why is it, when humanity has achieved the technology to allow them to transverse intergalactic space, to create massive war machines: robots, hoverships, laser cannons etc, and to be able to clone and create lifeforms and transfer a person's consciousness into it then why the hell is the main character stuck in a 20th Century wheelchair? Am I really meant to believe that with all these major advances in science and technology and biology, no-one's managed to make a better wheelchair? Let alone not have advanced surgery enough to repair spinal injuries? Least they could have done is put him in a floating jet chair.

wow so correct me if im wrong, but ur going to let a tiny detail like a weelchair ruin a movie for u? cmon man

Yeah, I was wondering how in the world that could constitute as an argument against the movie myself. What, is being realistic and using believable props a crime now, too? Why not just have the helicopters shoot lasers and polar bears, then?

Seriously...people nitpicking things in this movie just don't make sense to me sometimes.

[Maurepas]

I cant seem to find his profile to find out,

[Flameswroth]

My uncle saw it, and described it as "Dances with Wolves in Space" or something. I've never liked Kevin Costner, besides in Field of Dreams. I think it's really touching that his dad gets to play with him before the end. My dad used to have us play baseball, but it was pretty tough for me. I was never really any good at it and preferred to play video games. I was always behind the curve on games though, since my family wasn't exactly rich. The graphics were outdated, especially by today's standards. Speaking of graphics, have you seen that new movie Avatar? My uncle saw it, and described it as "Dances with Wolves in Space" or something. I've never liked Kevin Costner...

[Whole Conviction]

You're right, every creation which uses elements common to previous ones is exactly the same. My next house, I'm not gonna build it out of brick. That's been done. All brick houses are EXACTLY THE SAME. I'm going to have to build it out of something no-one's ever built a house out of before. Maybe cobalt.

And you're right, the aliens are totally smurfs. Just look at them! They're tubby, cartoonish, three apples high, wear stupid hats and are cheery. The similarities are ENDLESS.

[Playing In The Water]

You're right, every creation which uses elements common to previous ones is exactly the same. My next house, I'm not gonna build it out of brick. That's been done. All brick houses are EXACTLY THE SAME. I'm going to have to build it out of something no-one's ever built a house out of before. Maybe cobalt.

And you're right, the aliens are totally smurfs. Just look at them! They're tubby, cartoonish, three apples high, wear stupid hats and are cheery. The similarities are ENDLESS.

Thank you!

That's what I've been trying to say, but your sass is better than mine.

[Risottia]

4 5 and 6 are good.
1 2 and 3 are travesty.

Star Wars 4 was grand. 5 was superb. 6 already showed some sign of decadence...
1 was obnoxious, 2 was so horrible I didn't manage to watch 3 for three years after that... and, even then, only on PC and no more than 15 minutes a day. Holy crap, what a downfall.

edit: of course 5 was the best, the screenplay was written by Leigh Brackett for fuck's sake! (and Kasdan, ok...)

[Sun Aut Ex]

I just found the plot to be too hard to believe. I mean, really, the humans should have walked all over the smurfs.

[Abdju]

Just got home from seeing Avatar in 2D (don't like 3D). Wasn't expecting much, but actually I liked it. It was the first film I've seen in ages were I've actually felt able to root for the "good guys". usually I wind up preferring the "wrong" guys in these sorts of movies. It was beautifully done, which is saying a lot as I usually am not a big fan of CGI.

So yes, I like Avatar