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by Cameroi » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:04 pm
by Blitzkrenia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:10 pm
Zombie PotatoHeads wrote:So when does a movie being a 'blockbuster' allow a filmmaker to ignore plot, story, character development, originality, etc?
Some of us like to not only be entertained with big explosions and cool special FX, but also appreciate an actual story to back them up. Rate we're going, next years' 'blockbusters' are going to be nowt else but random cool computer CGI. They won't even bother with any plot or storyline.
by United Dependencies » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:37 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by Zombie PotatoHeads » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:54 am
Blitzkrenia wrote:Zombie PotatoHeads wrote:So when does a movie being a 'blockbuster' allow a filmmaker to ignore plot, story, character development, originality, etc?
Some of us like to not only be entertained with big explosions and cool special FX, but also appreciate an actual story to back them up. Rate we're going, next years' 'blockbusters' are going to be nowt else but random cool computer CGI. They won't even bother with any plot or storyline.
I agree with you, but keep in mind that that only reason the most movies are made is for the money. So, if the public wants it, moviemakers follow. Right now, the public wants eye-candy; so they make eye-candy. It would be great if movies that actually have an interesting storyline succeeded, but they don't. Not these days. We can't expect large companies (who move toward money) to cater to the needs of the minority. There's not much we can do to change that.
by Playing In The Water » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:57 am
Zombie PotatoHeads wrote:So when does a movie being a 'blockbuster' allow a filmmaker to ignore plot, story, character development, originality, etc?
Some of us like to not only be entertained with big explosions and cool special FX, but also appreciate an actual story to back them up. Rate we're going, next years' 'blockbusters' are going to be nowt else but random cool computer CGI. They won't even bother with any plot or storyline.
Terraliberty wrote:What do you call an abortion in Prague? A cancelled Czech!
by The chrisman union » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:02 am
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by Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:57 am
North Suran wrote:Zombie PotatoHeads wrote:I was just going to make a thread asking people if it's worth seeing. I've not seen it. I was considering going but two things are making me baulk:
1. The ticket prices are ridiculously high here. It's almost double the normal price because it's 3-D and 3+ hours long. What with travelling, and the usual vittals necessary for movie-going, I'll be spending close to the equivalent of $35US. For a movie. For me to consider parting with that much dosh, it needs to be an extremely great movie.
-snip blah blah-
So basically, your basing your entire criticism of James Cameron on one film of his?Risottia wrote:Well, it won't be shown in Italy till Jan 15th, so I must judge from the trailer right now...
Basically, seems just like a CGI fuckfest, and nothing more. As for originality, there's no originality AT ALL in "conquistador changes his mind and sides with aboriginals".
Long gone are the times when Cameron was an innovative director.
Once again:
IT'S A BLOODY BLOCKBUSTER.
What were you expecting - Citizen Kane?
Complaining about the plot of a blockbuster sci-fi actioner being too shallow is akin to complaining that 2012 focused on CGI at the expense of character development; totally fucking redundant.
by Zombie PotatoHeads » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:50 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:snip
by Allanea » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:54 am
Well, I don't think they have the technology to fire lasers from space and torch the planet like in star wars or something goofy and stupid like that.
by Zombie PotatoHeads » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:58 am
Allanea wrote:Well, I don't think they have the technology to fire lasers from space and torch the planet like in star wars or something goofy and stupid like that.
They can just tow in a rock and drop it. Or bring in a canister of poisonous chemicals and drop them out.
by Songri » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:01 am
Allanea wrote:Well, I don't think they have the technology to fire lasers from space and torch the planet like in star wars or something goofy and stupid like that.
They can just tow in a rock and drop it. Or bring in a canister of poisonous chemicals and drop them out.
by Copenhagen Metropolis » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:12 am
by United human countries » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:34 am
by The Snake Brotherhood » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:14 am
by Playing In The Water » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:31 am
United human countries wrote:I think I can sum up the plot without ever having seen the movie.
Terraliberty wrote:What do you call an abortion in Prague? A cancelled Czech!
by Risottia » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:48 am
The chrisman union wrote:It's a great film, one of the best of this year. The visuals are just AMAZING, the plot is original, and I advice everyone to go see it. Sure, it won't please everyone, but 9/10 people will love it. I think.
by America-Rosewood » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:49 am
by Risottia » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:56 am
Playing In The Water wrote:Risottia wrote:Playing In The Water wrote:'CGI fuckfests' have been up to this point, almost exclusively, pieces of garbage like Day After Tomorrow or 2012. Just big things blowing up, explosions, big noticeable landmarks/pieces of Earth going kablooey.
That is not what Avatar is.
Oh noes, it's about explosions, big noticeable landmarks/pieces of fictional planet going kablooey.
No, it isn't. It's NOT about explosions and all that, that's the point. It's about the people involved, and that's the truth.
Risottia wrote:Avatar uses 3D technology and special effects to bring emotion to life, which is a complete roundabout from what virtually EVERYONE ELSE has been doing up until this point. So yes, there's originality in that, at least.
Shrek. Toy Story. Small Soldiers. (Just to name some). Tech to show emotions, already done, so no originality.
All of those named, actually, were made to look intentionally fake. Avatar was designed to be realistic, or at least believably so. Additionally, Avatar blows every single one of those out of the water in regards to just how well it was done.
Risottia wrote:What's so original about the stupid comic book movies that are being churned out year after year? Are THOSE new ideas? No, they're just re-hashing on what used to be popular and - lo and behold - using specials effects to make the fighting/killing/blowing up better. I honestly hadn't gone to a theatre to see a movie in a year or two, the films just so didn't interest me. At least Avatar is going with a new take on the way movies can be made, and a somewhat original plotline; you've gotta remember, this story was written, like, fourteen years ago. That's like four or five years after 'Dances With Wolves', which is its contemporary in a lot of ways.
1.Dances with Wolves wasn't that original, young fellow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_Called_Horse . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Big_Man
2.Did I claim that the comic book movies are original? Uhhh... *rereads own post* no, I didn't.
3.You want originality, there have been plenty of original movies in the last two years.
I can point you to a couple of those:
Il vento fa il suo giro (see the trailer at http://www.ilventofailsuogiro.com/)
Persepolis.
by Playing In The Water » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:38 pm
Risottia wrote:AHAHAHA!
That's why they had to use real-life actors to play the humans and CGI to show the aliens. Yeah, that shows that the tech allows a great realism.
Risottia wrote:0.Who nominated Dan Brown now? Stop changing arguments...
1.Well, you didn't see it. Watch it.
2.YES, I can. J.R.R. Tolkien, anyone? Terry Pratchett? Dune?
3.So you first say "it's original" then say "I don't care about originality". Meh.
Well, keep to your idea by all means, but you didn't manage to make Avatar look even remotely interesting to me. And sure it ain't worth my 7 €.
Terraliberty wrote:What do you call an abortion in Prague? A cancelled Czech!
by Vedrenheim » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:45 pm
"So if I played as the female character, and got my rocks with another female, and then had male children, I could theoretically produce male lesbians?"
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by Verdigroth » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:26 pm
Vedrenheim wrote:From what I've heard, the plot's retarded, and I think the blue thing-a-ma-jigs look retarded as well.
Retarded movie, not even going to waste money on it.
by Greed and Death » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:36 pm
by Verdigroth » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:42 pm
greed and death wrote:I am just trying to figure out How in the world the colonel could do all those things while holding his breath.
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