Gun Control - A Political Thread

[Boston and Surrounding Provinces]

Ahem. AR-15 is NOT automatic. It is a semi auto assault rifle, just like the M1 Garand or the 9MM Pistol. One pull, equals one shot.

Okay, sorry, not much of a gun expert here. Semi-autos are still basically full-autos if you can squeeze the trigger fast enough, plus it gives you more space for recoil stabilization.

Point is, military grade assault rifle. Barely-adult college kids and high-schoolers.

Triggers aren't delicate, you kinda have to REALLY pull. Plus the military prefers the M16, although, to quote my Vietnam vet grandpa 'Are stupid pieces of sh*t."

[Grinning Dragon]

Ahem. AR-15 is NOT automatic. It is a semi auto assault rifle, just like the M1 Garand or the 9MM Pistol. One pull, equals one shot.

Okay, sorry, not much of a gun expert here. Semi-autos are still basically full-autos if you can squeeze the trigger fast enough, plus it gives you more space for recoil stabilization.

Point is, military grade assault rifle. Barely-adult college kids and high-schoolers.

What in the actual fuck?

When the military uses such weapons as the Remington 7mm bolt action, is that a hunting grade weapon?

[Fireye]

Ahem. AR-15 is NOT automatic. It is a semi auto assault rifle, just like the M1 Garand or the 9MM Pistol. One pull, equals one shot.

Okay, sorry, not much of a gun expert here. Semi-autos are still basically full-autos if you can squeeze the trigger fast enough, plus it gives you more space for recoil stabilization.

Point is, military grade assault rifle. Barely-adult college kids and high-schoolers.

Still wrong.

It's a semi automatic rifle.

It is NOT an assault rifle.

It is occasionally classified as an assault "weapon," which is a different thing.

An assault rifle, by definition, has select fire, meaning that the operator can switch between fully automatic fire and semi automatic fire. Militaries use Assault Rifles.

An assault "weapon" is a category made up in order to make it easier to ban guns because they look scary. The difference between a .223 Hunting rifle and a .223 assault "weapon" is purely cosmetic.

[Boston and Surrounding Provinces]

Okay, sorry, not much of a gun expert here. Semi-autos are still basically full-autos if you can squeeze the trigger fast enough, plus it gives you more space for recoil stabilization.

Point is, military grade assault rifle. Barely-adult college kids and high-schoolers.

What in the actual fuck?

When the military uses such weapons as the Remington 7mm bolt action, is that a hunting grade weapon?

Yes, because it is used for hunting. An Ar-15 is for defense and fun.

[Grinning Dragon]

What in the actual fuck?

When the military uses such weapons as the Remington 7mm bolt action, is that a hunting grade weapon?

Yes, because it is used for hunting. An Ar-15 is for defense and fun.

The AR platform is suitable for use in hunting. But yes, sending lead down range and such with an AR is fun.

[Serrian]

Okay, sorry, not much of a gun expert here. Semi-autos are still basically full-autos if you can squeeze the trigger fast enough, plus it gives you more space for recoil stabilization.

Point is, military grade assault rifle. Barely-adult college kids and high-schoolers.

Still wrong.

It's a semi automatic rifle.

It is NOT an assault rifle.

It is occasionally classified as an assault "weapon," which is a different thing.

An assault rifle, by definition, has select fire, meaning that the operator can switch between fully automatic fire and semi automatic fire. Militaries use Assault Rifles.

An assault "weapon" is a category made up in order to make it easier to ban guns because they look scary. The difference between a .223 Hunting rifle and a .223 assault "weapon" is purely cosmetic.

Alright, look, the details don't matter.

On the sliding scale of being able to kill more things in less time and more effectively:

Full-auto/burst assault rifle > Semi-auto rifle > Bolt-action rifle =(?)= Handgun > Small self-defense handgun

AR-15 is still pretty damn high.

[Boston and Surrounding Provinces]

Yes, because it is used for hunting. An Ar-15 is for defense and fun.

You can hunt with the AR platform. But yes, sending lead down range and such with an AR is fun.

1. Why? Pretty sure an AR-15 would mutilate any likely game, except large game.

2. Yiss.

[Chernoslavia]

Just gonna leave a small fact here for you to consider:

Apparently the most common weapon used in American school shootings is the AR-15. That's an automatic, military-grade assault rifle. Freely available to people younger than 25.

Think about that.

Now consider that the NRA stalwartly refuses the very concept of background checks.

Every day, I find a new reason to hate those despicable little sheits.

Can we please have an NRA office shooting soon?

1. Wrong, an AR-15 is not the most common weapon in a school shooting. If you still disagree then source that shit.

2. The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It's a semi automatic sporting rifle.

3. The NRA doesn't refuse background checks, they just don't support the Universal Background Check bill that Obama wanted to pass in 2012. This law mind you has nothing to do with background checks and will do nothing but make it illegal to even touch your friend's firearm.

4. So you support a prohibition on the AR-15 and very strict so-called background checks, but you hope that NRA members get killed in a mass shooting? Yup, very progressive indeed.

[Grinning Dragon]

You can hunt with the AR platform. But yes, sending lead down range and such with an AR is fun.

1. Why? Pretty sure an AR-15 would mutilate any likely game, except large game.

2. Yiss.

1. I don't understand, how would it mutilate? There are many different type of calibers in the AR platform other than the common .223/5.56

[Boston and Surrounding Provinces]

1. Why? Pretty sure an AR-15 would mutilate any likely game, except large game.

2. Yiss.

1. I don't understand, how would it mutilate? There are many different type of calibers in the AR platform other than the common .223/5.56

True, true.

But using a 5.56.. no trophy for you.

[Machefe]

okay here's my thoughts

1. backgrounds checks, no guns for mentally ill/felons

2. all guns except crazy shit like grenade launchers are allowed

3. everyone is happy

True, true.

But using a 5.56.. no trophy for you.

you do know that .308 is bigger than 5.56 right

[Grinning Dragon]

1. I don't understand, how would it mutilate? There are many different type of calibers in the AR platform other than the common .223/5.56

True, true.

But using a 5.56.. no trophy for you.

Depends on what I am hunting and what round I will use.

[Grinning Dragon]

okay here's my thoughts

1. backgrounds checks, no guns for mentally ill/felons

2. all guns except crazy shit like grenade launchers are allowed

3. everyone is happy

True, true.

But using a 5.56.. no trophy for you.

you do know that .308 is bigger than 5.56 right

Grenade launchers are not crazy shit, they are fun.

I am beginning to think that there are many that do not understand the ballistics of differing calibers. I blame Hollywood.

[Machefe]

Grenade launchers are not crazy shit, they are fun.
I am beginning to think that there are many that do not understand the ballistics of differing calibers. I blame Hollywood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLoHpawBw4A

[Serrian]

Just gonna leave a small fact here for you to consider:

Apparently the most common weapon used in American school shootings is the AR-15. That's an automatic, military-grade assault rifle. Freely available to people younger than 25.

Think about that.

Now consider that the NRA stalwartly refuses the very concept of background checks.

Every day, I find a new reason to hate those despicable little sheits.

Can we please have an NRA office shooting soon?

1. Wrong, an AR-15 is not the most common weapon in a school shooting. If you still disagree then source that shit.

2. The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It's a semi automatic sporting rifle.

3. The NRA doesn't refuse background checks, they just don't support the Universal Background Check bill that Obama wanted to pass in 2012. This law mind you has nothing to do with background checks and will do nothing but make it illegal to even touch your friend's firearm.

4. So you support a prohibition on the AR-15 and very strict so-called background checks, but you hope that NRA members get killed in a mass shooting? Yup, very progressive indeed.

1. Here. It seems I was wrong about the AR-15 being the most common, but it's still very common.

2. Yes, this was already explained to me, I'm not big on guns as you can see

3. They've been universally opposed to pretty much everything that will reduce the money they make, like almost all companies.

4. Society as we know it dies when humour does.

[Machefe]

3. They've been universally opposed to pretty much everything that will reduce the money they make, like almost all companies.

not a company, they're an interest group
shows what you know

[Gun Manufacturers]

Just gonna leave a small fact here for you to consider:

Apparently the most common weapon used in American school shootings is the AR-15. That's an automatic, military-grade assault rifle. Freely available to people younger than 25.

Think about that.

Now consider that the NRA stalwartly refuses the very concept of background checks.

Every day, I find a new reason to hate those despicable little sheits.

Can we please have an NRA office shooting soon?

The AR15 is a SEMI auto firearm.

And source it being the most common firearm in American school shootings.

[Gun Manufacturers]

What in the actual fuck?

When the military uses such weapons as the Remington 7mm bolt action, is that a hunting grade weapon?

Yes, because it is used for hunting. An Ar-15 is for defense and fun.

An AR15, properly configured, can be used for hunting as well.

[Gun Manufacturers]

You can hunt with the AR platform. But yes, sending lead down range and such with an AR is fun.

1. Why? Pretty sure an AR-15 would mutilate any likely game, except large game.

2. Yiss.

The AR15 can be configured to shoot rounds ranging from .22lr to .50 BMG.

[Gun Manufacturers]

okay here's my thoughts

1. backgrounds checks, no guns for mentally ill/felons

2. all guns except crazy shit like grenade launchers are allowed

3. everyone is happy

True, true.

But using a 5.56.. no trophy for you.

you do know that .308 is bigger than 5.56 right

Grenade launchers are considered destructive devices, regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934. There is paperwork, fingerprints, a very thorough background check, money ($200 tax stamp on top of the cost of the weapon), and a VERY long wait time (people are talking about wait times of up to a year for ATF to process and send back the forms) to legally purchase an NFA item. Also, each anti-personnel grenade round requires its own tax stamp.

[Machefe]

okay here's my thoughts

1. backgrounds checks, no guns for mentally ill/felons

2. all guns except crazy shit like grenade launchers are allowed

3. everyone is happy



you do know that .308 is bigger than 5.56 right

Grenade launchers are considered destructive devices, regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934. There is paperwork, fingerprints, a very thorough background check, money ($200 tax stamp on top of the cost of the weapon), and a VERY long wait time (people are talking about wait times of up to a year for ATF to process and send back the forms) to legally purchase an NFA item. Also, each anti-personnel grenade round requires its own tax stamp.

I KNOW GODDAMMIT

[Gun Manufacturers]

Grenade launchers are considered destructive devices, regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934. There is paperwork, fingerprints, a very thorough background check, money ($200 tax stamp on top of the cost of the weapon), and a VERY long wait time (people are talking about wait times of up to a year for ATF to process and send back the forms) to legally purchase an NFA item. Also, each anti-personnel grenade round requires its own tax stamp.

I KNOW GODDAMMIT

So, given that there's already heavy restrictions on purchasing a grenade launcher, and since they aren't used in crimes, why should they be banned?

[Atlanticatia]

I think a good model for gun control would be something resembling Canadian laws as a start: they have a similar culture to us that is very multicultural (so there's no qualms about 'cultural differences' when comparing policies), and have very good outcomes in terms of violent crime, gun crime, and homicides. There's a decent mix of gun ownership and gun control, and I think that using Canadian law as a starting point would be a good decision.

Details gotta put details.

1. If we have Canadian style gun control. My AK rifles would be banned from further sale, manufacture, import, and ownership.

2. My girlfriend's little "pocket pistol" collection would be banned like the AK47/74s and she would need to get a Prohibited Firearms license which I hear is almost impossible to get in Canada. Did I also mention that she wouldn't be allowed to sell or transfer them to anyone. Once she passes away, we would have to turn them in to the police where they will destroy it. The only exception is that she can only transfer a short pistol to another Prohibited Firearms licensee.

3. Full autos would no longer be transferable and would eventually suffer the same as pocket pistols and derringers. And have I were to still have my Full-auto AK, I would've have to get a Restricted Firearms license (also nearly impossible to get in Canada). The only exception is that a full auto can only be transferred or passed down to another Restricted Firearms licensee.

4. No one will be able to apply for neither a restricted or Prohibited Firearms license because in the 90s A law was passed in Canada that closed off future applications. That means no full autos and no "short barreled" pistols for future would-be applicants.

5. Skeletal stocks and folding stocks will be banned.

6. I most likely wouldn't be able to SBR my PS90 no matter what license I have.

So no. We don't want Canada's gun laws.

This didn't really change my opinion.

However, I said "as a starting point" meaning that it could be inspiration for a gun control law; it wouldn't be copied word for word. A law would need to be unique to the American experience of gun violence and gun control. However, Canada is a good place to compare and use for inspiration because it has a mix of urban centers (i.e. Toronto is similar to New York City) and rural areas with a 'gun culture' (places like Alberta have a gun culture).

[Gun Manufacturers]

Details gotta put details.

1. If we have Canadian style gun control. My AK rifles would be banned from further sale, manufacture, import, and ownership.

2. My girlfriend's little "pocket pistol" collection would be banned like the AK47/74s and she would need to get a Prohibited Firearms license which I hear is almost impossible to get in Canada. Did I also mention that she wouldn't be allowed to sell or transfer them to anyone. Once she passes away, we would have to turn them in to the police where they will destroy it. The only exception is that she can only transfer a short pistol to another Prohibited Firearms licensee.

3. Full autos would no longer be transferable and would eventually suffer the same as pocket pistols and derringers. And have I were to still have my Full-auto AK, I would've have to get a Restricted Firearms license (also nearly impossible to get in Canada). The only exception is that a full auto can only be transferred or passed down to another Restricted Firearms licensee.

4. No one will be able to apply for neither a restricted or Prohibited Firearms license because in the 90s A law was passed in Canada that closed off future applications. That means no full autos and no "short barreled" pistols for future would-be applicants.

5. Skeletal stocks and folding stocks will be banned.

6. I most likely wouldn't be able to SBR my PS90 no matter what license I have.

So no. We don't want Canada's gun laws.

This didn't really change my opinion.

However, I said "as a starting point" meaning that it could be inspiration for a gun control law; it wouldn't be copied word for word. A law would need to be unique to the American experience of gun violence and gun control. However, Canada is a good place to compare and use for inspiration because it has a mix of urban centers (i.e. Toronto is similar to New York City) and rural areas with a 'gun culture' (places like Alberta have a gun culture).

I'd rather we focus on making sure the NICS check is as accurate as possible, enforce sentencing for gun crimes, and stop going after feel good/do nothing laws that don't affect crime.

[Big Jim P]

1. Why? Pretty sure an AR-15 would mutilate any likely game, except large game.

2. Yiss.

The AR15 can be configured to shoot rounds ranging from .22lr to .50 BMG.

I would like one in .17 Remington and another in .204 Ruger Just because.