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Who was the greatest recent prime minister of britain?

David Cameron (Conservative)
5
3%
Gordon Brown (Labour)
5
3%
Tony Blair (Labour)
15
10%
John Major (Conservative)
1
1%
Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
76
52%
James Callaghan (Labour)
1
1%
Harold Wilson (Labour)
37
26%
Edward Heath (Conservative)
1
1%
Alec Douglas-Holme (Conservative)
1
1%
Harold MacMillan (Conservative)
3
2%
 
Total votes : 145

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Postby Westerheim » Mon May 05, 2014 8:43 am

It's beggar's belief that Clement Attlee, the PM who laid the foundations of modern Britain, isn't there, yet Alec Douglas-Home, the shortest serving PM of the 20th century, is.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Mon May 05, 2014 8:43 am

I admire Margaret Thatcher for taking back the Falkland Islands and allowing council tenants to buy their houses. Unfortunately she also had her bad policies as well.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon May 05, 2014 8:44 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:I admire Margaret Thatcher for taking back the Falkland Islands and allowing council tenants to buy their houses. Unfortunately she also had her bad policies as well.


She also lost the falklands.

well, she lost the council houses too.
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Postby Conscentia » Mon May 05, 2014 8:44 am

Westerheim wrote:It's beggar's belief that Clement Attlee, the PM who laid the foundations of modern Britain, isn't there, yet Alec Douglas-Home, the shortest serving PM of the 20th century, is.

:palm: See:
Conscentia wrote:
Kulverint wrote:Poll deliberately leaves out Clement Attlee to skew statistics, therefore poll invalid.

Er, no. The poll is limited to 10 options, so the 10 most recent were chosen.
Attlee was not deliberately left out. There simply happen to be 12 PMs more recent than him.

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Postby Westerheim » Mon May 05, 2014 8:47 am

Conscentia wrote:
Westerheim wrote:It's beggar's belief that Clement Attlee, the PM who laid the foundations of modern Britain, isn't there, yet Alec Douglas-Home, the shortest serving PM of the 20th century, is.

:palm: See:
Conscentia wrote:Er, no. The poll is limited to 10 options, so the 10 most recent were chosen.
Attlee was not deliberately left out. There simply happen to be 12 PMs more recent than him.

Still. One can anticipate that Douglas-Home would get no votes, and accommodate for that.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Mon May 05, 2014 8:50 am

Lord Palmerston. 150 years ago is recent, right?
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Postby Conscentia » Mon May 05, 2014 8:50 am

Westerheim wrote:
Conscentia wrote: :palm: See:

Still. One can anticipate that Douglas-Home would get no votes, and accommodate for that.

That'd make the poll biased.
Also, I'm not sure i'd call 1945-1951 "recent times".
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Mon May 05, 2014 9:50 am

Surprised to see so much love for Thatcher.

But yeah, Thatcher.

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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Mon May 05, 2014 9:52 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:I admire Margaret Thatcher for taking back the Falkland Islands and allowing council tenants to buy their houses. Unfortunately she also had her bad policies as well.

well, she lost the council houses too.

Yeah, why do those damn proles need to own property anyway!

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Postby Alyakia » Mon May 05, 2014 9:55 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:well, she lost the council houses too.

Yeah, why do those damn proles need to own property anyway!


i'm pretty sure it's a reference to how the proles don't own the property. over 1/3rd of sold houses ended up in the hands of private landlords, with the family of the guy who cooked up the idea owning at least 40. this may or may not be part of the reason why we don't have enough council houses now. nice try though.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Mon May 05, 2014 10:01 am

John Major I find least offensive.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon May 05, 2014 10:04 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:well, she lost the council houses too.

Yeah, why do those damn proles need to own property anyway!


They don't own their own property now.
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Postby Trelso » Mon May 05, 2014 10:09 am

I didn't even know who Douglas-Holme is.

Attlee, though as he's not on the poll, I voted for Blair mostly because I can't really pass accurate judgement on those prior to Thatcher and personally have a strong dislike for Thatcher's policies.

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Postby Divair2 » Mon May 05, 2014 10:30 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:I admire Margaret Thatcher for taking back the Falkland Islands and allowing council tenants to buy their houses. Unfortunately she also had her bad policies as well.

You admire her for creating a property bubble?

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Postby Alyakia » Mon May 05, 2014 10:31 am

Divair2 wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:I admire Margaret Thatcher for taking back the Falkland Islands and allowing council tenants to buy their houses. Unfortunately she also had her bad policies as well.

You admire her for creating a property bubble?


margaret thatcher: where even the good was bad
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Postby Trelso » Mon May 05, 2014 10:31 am

Divair2 wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:I admire Margaret Thatcher for taking back the Falkland Islands and allowing council tenants to buy their houses. Unfortunately she also had her bad policies as well.

You admire her for creating a property bubble?


Isn't that basically the premise for most modern conservatives supporting Thatcher's policies? They got rich out of it.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Mon May 05, 2014 10:32 am

Alyakia wrote:
Divair2 wrote:You admire her for creating a property bubble?


margaret thatcher: where even the good was bad

You gotta admit, she was really good at being bad.
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Postby Divair2 » Mon May 05, 2014 10:32 am

Trelso wrote:
Divair2 wrote:You admire her for creating a property bubble?


Isn't that basically the premise for most modern conservatives supporting Thatcher's policies? They got rich out of it.

Not the conservatives on this website. They're kids, so they don't own property.

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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Tue May 06, 2014 11:53 am

Alyakia wrote:
Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:Yeah, why do those damn proles need to own property anyway!


i'm pretty sure it's a reference to how the proles don't own the property. over 1/3rd of sold houses ended up in the hands of private landlords, with the family of the guy who cooked up the idea owning at least 40. this may or may not be part of the reason why we don't have enough council houses now. nice try though.

Ah okay, my mistake then.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue May 06, 2014 12:49 pm

United commonwealth of ayrshire wrote:So the question: Who was the greatest British Prime Minister of recent times?
If I had to pick one, I would have to pick Harold Wilson. He was the last successful true Socialist Prime Minister, he made the process of de-colonisation go much smoother when compared to France or Portugal, and of course the rain dance incident was hilarious.
So, NSG: Who would you pick?


Tony Blair. He has greatly improved the British government's capabilities to use technology to monitor and protect citizens... hence improved national security.
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Postby Viritica » Tue May 06, 2014 12:50 pm

Margaret Thatcher.

I would vote for Churchill if he was up there, though.
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Postby JeebusCrust » Tue May 06, 2014 3:06 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
United commonwealth of ayrshire wrote:So the question: Who was the greatest British Prime Minister of recent times?
If I had to pick one, I would have to pick Harold Wilson. He was the last successful true Socialist Prime Minister, he made the process of de-colonisation go much smoother when compared to France or Portugal, and of course the rain dance incident was hilarious.
So, NSG: Who would you pick?


Tony Blair. He has greatly improved the British government's capabilities to use technology to monitor and protect citizens... hence improved national security.

Protect us from what? The weather?

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Postby Greater-London » Tue May 06, 2014 3:59 pm

Such a high rating for Wilson but then I guess anyone looks good when your standing next to Ted Heath.

None of the last ten have been especially brilliant in my eyes; I think Mrs. Thatcher was probably an necessary evil but thats probably the nicest thing I can say about her.

Those who I feel for? Probably John Major and Gordon Brown - two people I think history will be kinder too then we are at the moment. The truth is that both of them were doomed to be unpopular they caught the end of the wave of their parties popularity. I also think that both of them have GENUINE good intentions but not strong or especially good leaders.

I also loathe Tony Blair and I think Jim Callaghan was useless.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue May 06, 2014 4:11 pm

JeebusCrust wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Tony Blair. He has greatly improved the British government's capabilities to use technology to monitor and protect citizens... hence improved national security.

Protect us from what? The weather?


i was thinking in terms of law and order...

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Postby Greater-London » Tue May 06, 2014 4:24 pm

Viritica wrote:Margaret Thatcher.

I would vote for Churchill if he was up there, though.


Lots of people choose Churchill in lists of great prime ministers but I think hes possibly one of our most overatated. Thats not to say that he wasn't an exceptional war leader and the right man at the right time but domestically he was a terrible Prime Minister.

He switched parties twice, suffered a stroke in office, drank to much, wrong about Ireland, wrong about India and wrong about the gold standard.

Not that this should take away from his record from 1940 - 1945 but I think it's something to consider when we get all loved up about the guy.
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