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Enver Hoxha: Evil Dictator or Hero of the Proletariat?

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What is your opinion on Enver Hoxha?

Evil, oppressive dictator.
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69%
Hero of the Proletariat.
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Meh.
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Enver Hoxha: Evil Dictator or Hero of the Proletariat?

Postby Murkwood » Fri May 02, 2014 7:34 am

Enver Hoxha was the Communist dictator of Albania from 1944 to 1985. During and after his reign, he was widely critiqued for his abysmal record on Human Rights and Freedom of Religion. However, some of this site and in the Communist movement still apologize for him. Is this right? Is Enver Hoxha an evil dictator or a hero of the proletariat?

I think that Enver Hoxha was an evil dictator who killed and oppressed his own people in the name of "progress", and should be viewed as such.
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Postby Angleter » Fri May 02, 2014 7:35 am

One of the most awful rulers a country's ever had the misfortune to have to endure.
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Postby Risottia » Fri May 02, 2014 7:35 am

Murkwood wrote: some of this site and in the Communist movement still apologize for him

Source?

Anyway, Hoxha, as all of Mao's lackeys, was a class traitor and a psycho tyrant.
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Postby Benuty » Fri May 02, 2014 7:38 am

Risottia wrote:
Murkwood wrote: some of this site and in the Communist movement still apologize for him

Source?

Anyway, Hoxha, as all of Mao's lackeys, was a class traitor and a psycho tyrant.

How is mao a class traitor exactly?
I mean is this that whole peasants vs workers conflict I have been hearing about or is this solely talking about his followers of sorts?
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Postby Benuty » Fri May 02, 2014 7:39 am

Angleter wrote:One of the most awful rulers a country's ever had the misfortune to have to endure.

Please there have been worse on this planet.
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Postby Angleter » Fri May 02, 2014 7:41 am

Benuty wrote:
Angleter wrote:One of the most awful rulers a country's ever had the misfortune to have to endure.

Please there have been worse on this planet.


Hence why I said "one of".
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 02, 2014 7:42 am

He made huge advances in women's rights, increased the life expectancy immensely, and brought the literacy rate from under 20% to near Western levels.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri May 02, 2014 7:42 am

An evil tyrant who oppressed his citizens in the name of "progress".

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 02, 2014 7:42 am

Risottia wrote:
Murkwood wrote: some of this site and in the Communist movement still apologize for him

Source?

Anyway, Hoxha, as all of Mao's lackeys, was a class traitor and a psycho tyrant.

Hoxha split from Mao.
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Postby Murkwood » Fri May 02, 2014 7:44 am

Risottia wrote:
Murkwood wrote: some of this site and in the Communist movement still apologize for him

Source?

Anyway, Hoxha, as all of Mao's lackeys, was a class traitor and a psycho tyrant.

United Marxist Nations, for one.
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Postby Murkwood » Fri May 02, 2014 7:45 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:He made huge advances in women's rights, increased the life expectancy immensely, and brought the literacy rate from under 20% to near Western levels.

But at what cost?
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Baltenstein » Fri May 02, 2014 7:45 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Risottia wrote:Source?

Anyway, Hoxha, as all of Mao's lackeys, was a class traitor and a psycho tyrant.

Hoxha split from Mao.


After Mao split from the Soviet Union for the capitalist crime of not being totalitarian and crazy enough anymore, Hoxha splitted from China because they too had commited the capitalist crime of not being totalitarian and crazy enough anymore.

After all, people need to take care of their street cred.
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Postby Baltenstein » Fri May 02, 2014 7:48 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:He made huge advances in women's rights, increased the life expectancy immensely, and brought the literacy rate from under 20% to near Western levels.


He also turned all of Albania's countrysite into this:

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O'er the hills and o'er the main.
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Postby Haladrien » Fri May 02, 2014 7:48 am

I don' think Communism and Dictator were originally meant to go hand in hand.

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Postby Murkwood » Fri May 02, 2014 7:49 am

Baltenstein wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He made huge advances in women's rights, increased the life expectancy immensely, and brought the literacy rate from under 20% to near Western levels.


He also turned all of Albania's countrysite into this:

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Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 02, 2014 7:49 am

Murkwood wrote:
Risottia wrote:Source?

Anyway, Hoxha, as all of Mao's lackeys, was a class traitor and a psycho tyrant.

United Marxist Nations, for one.

Indeed.

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Postby Benuty » Fri May 02, 2014 7:49 am

Angleter wrote:
Benuty wrote:Please there have been worse on this planet.


Hence why I said "one of".

Sorry, I thought you started it as "The most aweful".
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri May 02, 2014 7:49 am

Hoxha was bad, very, very bad. His human rights record was terrible.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 02, 2014 7:50 am

Murkwood wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He made huge advances in women's rights, increased the life expectancy immensely, and brought the literacy rate from under 20% to near Western levels.

But at what cost?

One worth paying.
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Postby Benuty » Fri May 02, 2014 7:51 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:He made huge advances in women's rights, increased the life expectancy immensely, and brought the literacy rate from under 20% to near Western levels.

All while being at the odd end of the curtain [considering they were split from other nations].
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Postby Murkwood » Fri May 02, 2014 7:51 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Murkwood wrote:But at what cost?

One worth paying.

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands who died would disagree.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri May 02, 2014 7:51 am

What is the point of having "other" in the poll? I hate it when people put dumb responses in the poll, because it detracts from the percentage of the real options.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 02, 2014 7:52 am

Baltenstein wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He made huge advances in women's rights, increased the life expectancy immensely, and brought the literacy rate from under 20% to near Western levels.


He also turned all of Albania's countrysite into this:

Image

Because he feared invasion from Yugoslavia; while they were never used in the kind of mass defense he envisioned, they did save lives during the artillery bombardments in the Kosovo(?) War.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.

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Postby Murkwood » Fri May 02, 2014 7:52 am

Merizoc wrote:What is the point of having "other" in the poll? I hate it when people put dumb responses in the poll, because it detracts from the percentage of the real options.

Yeah, that's a good point. I'll take it out.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 02, 2014 7:53 am

Murkwood wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:One worth paying.

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands who died would disagree.

More like 20 thousand. The population increased from one million to three million; that would be really tough with hundreds of thousands dying.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.

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St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.

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