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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 01, 2014 9:44 am

Shnercropolis wrote:Germany was a pretty good nation to live in when it got down to it, and honestly Hitler was less of an asshole than Stalin.
So yeah, it was probably worse until perestroika.

No.
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Postby Lithuanian Empire » Thu May 01, 2014 9:47 am

CTALNH wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Germany was a pretty good nation to live in when it got down to it, and honestly Hitler was less of an asshole than Stalin.
So yeah, it was probably worse until perestroika.

No.

Your name makes me think you are one of those so-called "anarcho-communists" on NS.
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Thu May 01, 2014 9:47 am

No. Under Hitler 11 million people were killed, in East Germany nowhere near that many were killed
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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 01, 2014 9:48 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:
CTALNH wrote:No.

Your name makes me think you are one of those so-called "anarcho-communists" on NS.

Yeah because the "The Original NSG Marxist Leninist now a Blanquist." Totally makes me a anarcho communist.
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Postby Liberaxia » Thu May 01, 2014 9:50 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:It doesn't really matter, they are both quite horrible places to live in.
One has huge military industrialization, state capitalism and mass genocide.
The other was economically horrible, just less organized killing.


That can describe either Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
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Postby Lithuanian Empire » Thu May 01, 2014 9:52 am

CTALNH wrote:
Lithuanian Empire wrote:Your name makes me think you are one of those so-called "anarcho-communists" on NS.

Yeah because the "The Original NSG Marxist Leninist now a Blanquist." Totally makes me a anarcho communist.

Thst's not the point.
Your NS name makes me think you are one of those people who claim they are Marxist, Communist, Anarchist or whatever, but actually aren't.
Seriously, my parents lived under a communist regime and I have no idea why would anyone be stupid enough to believe in those ideas.
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Postby Draica » Thu May 01, 2014 9:54 am

....

Why are there Hitler supporters on this thread?
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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 01, 2014 9:55 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Yeah because the "The Original NSG Marxist Leninist now a Blanquist." Totally makes me a anarcho communist.

Thst's not the point.
Your NS name makes me think you are one of those people who claim they are Marxist, Communist, Anarchist or whatever, but actually aren't.
Seriously, my parents lived under a communist regime and I have no idea why would anyone be stupid enough to believe in those ideas.

Oh dear someone new who doesn't know me...

Well here is the gist of it I believe most of the things that come out of my mouth and would do them if I had the chance sadly that is impossible partly because I can't make a one man revolution and secondly because my country men are far to stupid to support me.

So to round things up.

I am a former stalinist aka Marxist Leninist.Now a Blanquist.
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Postby Draica » Thu May 01, 2014 9:55 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:
CTALNH wrote:No.

Your name makes me think you are one of those so-called "anarcho-communists" on NS.




If you were a jew, black, gay, gypsy, Catholic, etc Nazi Germany was not better or safer than the USSR.
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Postby Vissegaard » Thu May 01, 2014 9:58 am

No. They were the same bad.
Maybe Stalin was really worse than Hitler. But he didn´t rule East Germany.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 01, 2014 10:00 am

Vissegaard wrote:No. They were the same bad.
Maybe Stalin was really worse than Hitler. But he didn´t rule East Germany.


I'd say Eastern Germany under their "democratic" government was MARGINALLY better off than under Nazi Germany.

Keyword: marginally.
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Postby Lithuanian Empire » Thu May 01, 2014 10:00 am

Draica wrote:
Lithuanian Empire wrote:Your name makes me think you are one of those so-called "anarcho-communists" on NS.




If you were a jew, black, gay, gypsy, Catholic, etc Nazi Germany was not better or safer than the USSR.

And if you were a Tatar, Balt, Pole, someone who resists rusification, had more money than anyone else, had a larger farm than someone, said something against the government, had a neighbour that hates you and knows someone from NKVD or had helped the German in WW2, Nazi Germany would be a better place to you than the USSR.

And I am not advocating anyone, I just say that in a relative perspective, it doesn't matter.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 01, 2014 10:00 am

How was hitler better than stalin?
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Postby Great British Isles and Ireland » Thu May 01, 2014 10:01 am

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why does every uneducated westerner think they just threw troops at a problem? sure it happened at Stalingrad but everyone was doing it, hell thats what D-Day was if we are going to analyse troop throwing.


It's futile to argue about the Great Patriotic War/WW II with westerners. They still think America "did all the work" lmao.


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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 01, 2014 10:02 am

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Czervenika wrote:
It's futile to argue about the Great Patriotic War/WW II with westerners. They still think America "did all the work" lmao.


That's not true sir! We think Britain did all the work!

I am rather certain greece all the heavy lifting.
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Postby Lithuanian Empire » Thu May 01, 2014 10:02 am

CTALNH wrote:How was hitler better than stalin?

Hitler only targeted distinct groups of people, like Jews, but Stalin killed anyone.
Remember the Great Purge? Millions of innocents died.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 01, 2014 10:03 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:
CTALNH wrote:How was hitler better than stalin?

Hitler only targeted disyinct groups of people, like Jews, but Stalin killed anyone.
Remember the Great Purge? Millions of innocents died.

How old are you?
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Postby Draica » Thu May 01, 2014 10:04 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:
Draica wrote:


If you were a jew, black, gay, gypsy, Catholic, etc Nazi Germany was not better or safer than the USSR.

And if you were a Tatar, Balt, Pole, someone who resists rusification, had more money than anyone else, had a larger farm than someone, said something against the government, had a neighbour that hates you and knows someone from NKVD or had helped the German in WW2, Nazi Germany would be a better place to you than the USSR.

And I am not advocating anyone, I just say that in a relative perspective, it doesn't matter.



If you were a minority you were opressed in Nazi Germany. I'm black. If I was alive in Nazi Germany they would have sent me to a concentration camp and /killed/ me. Nazi Germany was not a free place, it was a fascist place. Berlin had mounds upon mounds of ghettos and poor areas, many of it's citizens were under the bondage of poverty. Though crime was low, poverty wasn't.

You are trying to make Nazi Germany look like the holy virgin mother. That is wrong.
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CTALNH wrote:
Lithuanian Empire wrote:Hitler only targeted disyinct groups of people, like Jews, but Stalin killed anyone.
Remember the Great Purge? Millions of innocents died.

How old are you?

14?
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Postby Draica » Thu May 01, 2014 10:05 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:
CTALNH wrote:How was hitler better than stalin?

Hitler only targeted distinct groups of people, like Jews, but Stalin killed anyone.
Remember the Great Purge? Millions of innocents died.



Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu May 01, 2014 10:05 am

CTALNH wrote:
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That's not true sir! We think Britain did all the work!

I am rather certain greece all the heavy lifting.


Pfft amateurs. Everyone knows Romania was the cream of the crop and that they did all the work.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 01, 2014 10:05 am

Lithuanian Empire wrote:
CTALNH wrote:How old are you?

14?

Oh so that explain the lack of critical thinking and knowledge.

No offence but go check how many people died in Siberia.
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Postby Lithuanian Empire » Thu May 01, 2014 10:06 am

CTALNH wrote:
Lithuanian Empire wrote:14?

Oh so that explain the lack of critical thinking and knowledge.

Look who's talking.
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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 10:06 am

I have to say that any one who does not know the story of Nemmersdorf,Metgethen, And many other regions of what was formerly an Oblast of the soviet union until its dissolution. Need learn of it before speaking of anything relating to the eastern occupation.

Ethic cleansing continued, it just was a different flag flying over the executions, tortures and imprisonments.

So i consider both Regimes to be equally horrible, its just one persisted far longer then the other, so history and time would merit it worse due to the duration of it. And note i cited Eastern Prussian Cases for the most part because they are the most documented and well cited cases, There are many further debatable ones that may or may not have occurred, but the Advancing Soviets had no qualm about executing people for Nationality or shipping them to Gulags and workcamps, That mindset endured well past the cessation of hostilities.

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Postby Draica » Thu May 01, 2014 10:07 am

CTALNH wrote:
Lithuanian Empire wrote:14?

Oh so that explain the lack of critical thinking and knowledge.

No offence but go check how many people died in Siberia.



That's my age.

Not all 14 year olds are idiots, you know..
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The Draican-Arkanian war: On-going

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