Was East Germany worse than Nazi Germany?

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

The DDR was awesome. It is vastly superior to Nazi Germany or West Germany.

They were brutal. They were as bad or worse than Nazi Germany.

[Blazedtown]

The DDR was awesome. It is vastly superior to Nazi Germany or West Germany.

They were brutal. They were as bad or worse than Nazi Germany.

So how many people did East Germany round up and gas again?

East Germany was a Soviet shitpuppet, with Moscow pulling the shit strings and the KGB circling like shithawks, but that doesn't mean that they were worse than Hitler.

[Napkiraly]

how did he fuck russias economy? did you miss the part where russia went from a practically feudal shithole that couldn't fight for shit and sent painting of the czar to ease the pain of not having bullets or food to an industrialized state capable of taking out the majority of the german forces and into becoming the second largest economy in the world?

1)Highlighted in blue: stuff Lenin did
2)Highlighted in pink: done with a)massive casualties, b)inferior weaponry, and c)tactics that mostly involved throwing troops at a problem until it went away.
3)Highlighted in green: It helps that most of Europe's economies were destroyed afterwards, no?

1) Started* Vast majority overseen and implemented during Stalin's reign.
2)
a) Actually not as much of a disparity as some might believe. USSR had 10 million military deaths (3.6 million of those being prisoners) Axis had 5 million deaths (800 000 being POW's). If we only include those of none POW status, So 6.4 million compared to 4.2 million isn't that much of a disparity.
b) Actually the USSR had some good tech and even better than the German's to a certain degree (such as sloped armour, the Katyusha, KV2's)
c) A gross misrepresentation of how the Red Army operated, especially later on.
3) And then recovered rapidly. And the USSR suffered massively during the war. More so than the UK or France.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

No

[Santa Lucania]

They're both pretty shitty so I mean theirs that. Let's not try to split hairs on these two horrible parts of German history.

[Nervium]

Well, in contrast to Nazi Germany, East Germany was actually totalitarian. But as bad as or worse than Nazi Germany? They didn't engage in genocide.

... In contrast what? Nazi Germany is about as totalitarian you can get.

An no, the GDR was not worse than Nazi Germany.

[NPCA]

Do you think East Germany was worse than Nazi Germany? I think East Germany was worse for Aryans, but better for Jews and others persecuted by the Nazi regime. I wonder how many East Germans longed for Hitler. They probably loved him considering he loved the German people. The people persecuted by Hitler probably felt relieved by the Soviet influence in East Germany. I think both countries were horrid.

I think both of them are just as bad.

[Infected Mushroom]

Do you think East Germany was worse than Nazi Germany? I think East Germany was worse for Aryans, but better for Jews and others persecuted by the Nazi regime. I wonder how many East Germans longed for Hitler. They probably loved him considering he loved the German people. The people persecuted by Hitler probably felt relieved by the Soviet influence in East Germany. I think both countries were horrid.

Nazi Germany is better for the middle class and the upper class (and especially if you are a business owner) so long as you are not part of a persecuted minority (if you are, you would prefer East Germany).

East Germany is supposed to be (in theory i don't know about in practice) better for the poor since its socialist.

[Soled]

Nazi germany was good... For the germans, that is. Let's not forget all the genocides, plundering of gold and so on.
East Germany was about the same for everyone, not good but not shit.
I choose East Germany because i would've been killed at once in Nazi Germany for being a communist.

[Old Tyrannia]

In all honesty, the average German citizen was probably better off under the Nazis than the Communists (at least up until the break out of the Second World War), although that's not the case for ethnic minorities- if I were a Jew, I'd rather live in East Germany. All in all, however, the crimes of the Nazis were worse than those of the GDR. However, neither were a good place to be of you didn't agree with the ruling party's politics.

In conclusion, Imperial Germany is best Germany.

[Great Empire of Gamilus]

Germany was a pretty good nation to live in when it got down to it, and honestly Hitler was less of an asshole than Stalin.
So yeah, it was probably worse until perestroika.

how exactly was hitler less of an asshole than stalin?

are you seriously trying to imply that hitler didn't murder his subordinates when he didn't like them all too much anymore? that he didn't have a habit of putting his political enemies in camps (not just to work, but to die)? maybe the ukranians would have an awesomesauce time with hitler-chan who would never ever ever do something like that?

seriously, do tell. what am i missing?

e: for the actual thread, i thought it'd be a bit shit to just post "no". but that's basically the answer.

1: standard of living

2: Nazi's didn't kill every high ranking officer in the command chain

3: 6 million or 20 million+? which is worse actually? (no crying "but mah 6 bagillion gazillion, its not a valid argument.)

4: Hitler was cultured, made and loved art

5: did I mention standards of living? cause it was pretty good.

6: Allies won the war so a ton of BS on a ton of stuff. so who knows whats fact and whats fiction.

[Czervenika]

Why would it be? Universal access to education, healthcare, housing, employment, etc. What did Nazi Germany have? Genocide of everybody they didn't like.

[Great Empire of Gamilus]

1)Highlighted in blue: stuff Lenin did
2)Highlighted in pink: done with a)massive casualties, b)inferior weaponry, and c)tactics that mostly involved throwing troops at a problem until it went away.
3)Highlighted in green: It helps that most of Europe's economies were destroyed afterwards, no?

1) Started* Vast majority overseen and implemented during Stalin's reign.
2)
a) Actually not as much of a disparity as some might believe. USSR had 10 million military deaths (3.6 million of those being prisoners) Axis had 5 million deaths (800 000 being POW's). If we only include those of none POW status, So 6.4 million compared to 4.2 million isn't that much of a disparity.
b) Actually the USSR had some good tech and even better than the German's to a certain degree (such as sloped armour, the Katyusha, KV2's)
c) A gross misrepresentation of how the Red Army operated, especially later on.
3) And then recovered rapidly. And the USSR suffered massively during the war. More so than the UK or France.

why does every uneducated westerner think they just threw troops at a problem? sure it happened at Stalingrad but everyone was doing it, hell thats what D-Day was if we are going to analyse troop throwing.

[Czervenika]

why does every uneducated westerner think they just threw troops at a problem? sure it happened at Stalingrad but everyone was doing it, hell thats what D-Day was if we are going to analyse troop throwing.

It's futile to argue about the Great Patriotic War/WW II with westerners. They still think America "did all the work" lmao.

[Herrebrugh]

Why would it be? Universal access to education, healthcare, housing, employment, etc. What did Nazi Germany have? Genocide of everybody they didn't like.

There are things to be said about all those, however. For example, the GDR's healthcare involved testing products from FRG companies on humans, you wouldn't have a fun time in school if your parents openly dissented against the GDR government and you weren't a part of the FDJ (Free German Youth, the GDR pioneers organisation) as teachers would purposefully try to isolate you from the rest of the class who were "true" to the party. Housing wasn't great (understatement), but bad housing is better than no housing I suppose.

[Napkiraly]

1) Started* Vast majority overseen and implemented during Stalin's reign.
2)
a) Actually not as much of a disparity as some might believe. USSR had 10 million military deaths (3.6 million of those being prisoners) Axis had 5 million deaths (800 000 being POW's). If we only include those of none POW status, So 6.4 million compared to 4.2 million isn't that much of a disparity.
b) Actually the USSR had some good tech and even better than the German's to a certain degree (such as sloped armour, the Katyusha, KV2's)
c) A gross misrepresentation of how the Red Army operated, especially later on.
3) And then recovered rapidly. And the USSR suffered massively during the war. More so than the UK or France.

why does every uneducated westerner think they just threw troops at a problem? sure it happened at Stalingrad but everyone was doing it, hell thats what D-Day was if we are going to analyse troop throwing.

Even at Stalingrad they didn't do that. I mean sure, they sent many into what was a meat grinder, but that was due to the sheer brutality of the battle, not due to a mentality of "Charge comrades!". Then of course there was Operation Uranus.

And the Germans in the beginning tried to take strategic points with rushes of infantry and tanks, which isn't a great idea in a bombed out city. The Soviet tactic of fortifying basically every inch and 'hugging' the German front line was rather useful in preventing the Germans from using their superior air power and slowing down the German advance. Downside of course was that the fighting was incredibly bitter for both sides. New arrivals (for the USSR anyway) weren't expected to make it through a single day during those stages of the battle.

[Napkiraly]

why does every uneducated westerner think they just threw troops at a problem? sure it happened at Stalingrad but everyone was doing it, hell thats what D-Day was if we are going to analyse troop throwing.

It's futile to argue about the Great Patriotic War/WW II with westerners. They still think America "did all the work" lmao.

Ugh, I'm a Westerner.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Well it's quite simple, in the end yes The Soviet Union was worse and those Nazi supporting germs got what they deserved for starting a war that caused over 50 million deaths, period.

[Napkiraly]

how exactly was hitler less of an asshole than stalin?

are you seriously trying to imply that hitler didn't murder his subordinates when he didn't like them all too much anymore? that he didn't have a habit of putting his political enemies in camps (not just to work, but to die)? maybe the ukranians would have an awesomesauce time with hitler-chan who would never ever ever do something like that?

seriously, do tell. what am i missing?

e: for the actual thread, i thought it'd be a bit shit to just post "no". but that's basically the answer.

1: standard of living

2: Nazi's didn't kill every high ranking officer in the command chain

3: 6 million or 20 million+? which is worse actually? (no crying "but mah 6 bagillion gazillion, its not a valid argument.)

4: Hitler was cultured, made and loved art

5: did I mention standards of living? cause it was pretty good.

6: Allies won the war so a ton of BS on a ton of stuff. so who knows whats fact and whats fiction.

1. Thing is, Germany was already a full fledged industrial nation that had also started implementing certain welfare policies before even the Weimar Republic. So it's rather moot actually. Hitler didn't actually have to jump as far as Stalin did.

2. No, but they made sure the various ministries would be fighting against each other due to their belief in the survival of the fittest. Helped the allies, as the German intelligence agencies were lol useless.

3. The 20 million claim is shall we say, controversial. Also that's including various other things apart from just the purges and gulags. If we include things such as killings in other countries, famines, etc for Stalin, then we must do so for Hitler. Hitler kind of kicked off a world war with plenty of atrocities carried out (I'll also add that the 6 million figure is just the Jewish losses, the Holocaust as a whole claimed another 5-6 million non-Jewish victims).

4. Socialist Realism, look it up.


5. See my first point.

[Empire of Vlissingen]

They were brutal. They were as bad or worse than Nazi Germany.

So how many people did East Germany round up and gas again?

East Germany was a Soviet shitpuppet, with Moscow pulling the shit strings and the KGB circling like shithawks, but that doesn't mean that they were worse than Hitler.

The were not worse than Hitler however they killed a lot of people who wanted to cross the border with West-Germany.

[Herrebrugh]

Well it's quite simple, in the end yes The Soviet Union was worse and those Nazi supporting germs got what they deserved for starting a war that caused over 50 million deaths, period.

I don't see how this is a valid reasoning. If two people commit a murder, and one of them gets caught, that doesn't make the murder of the one who wasn't caught worse. And that's if your claim of "starting a war that caused over 50 million deaths" even rings true.

[Herrebrugh]

So how many people did East Germany round up and gas again?

East Germany was a Soviet shitpuppet, with Moscow pulling the shit strings and the KGB circling like shithawks, but that doesn't mean that they were worse than Hitler.

The were not worse than Hitler however they killed a lot of people who wanted to cross the border with West-Germany.

Which is not in any way relatable to the industrialised killing of Nazi Germany.

[Nazis in Space]

In all honesty, the average German citizen was probably better off under the Nazis than the Communists (at least up until the break out of the Second World War), although that's not the case for ethnic minorities- if I were a Jew, I'd rather live in East Germany. All in all, however, the crimes of the Nazis were worse than those of the GDR. However, neither were a good place to be of you didn't agree with the ruling party's politics.

In conclusion, Imperial Germany is best Germany.

Living standards dropped throughout the existence of the Third Reich. The GDR, while not experiencing the same absurdo-growth of West Germany, nonetheless experienced a consistent increase in living standards until the late 70s/ early 80s.

Even disregarding minorities, both regimes were quite fond of dealing with regime critics in pretty much identical fashion.

(On an entertaining sidenote, it's worth noting that the Sorb minority got through the Third Reich more or less unaffected, but was effectively wiped out as a coherent ethnicity as a result of Soviet refugee resettlement policies that flooded their lands with Silesians and Prussians)

While the GDR was overall pretty repressive, it did have a number of policies one can't help but approve of - sexual liberation starting in the early fifties rather than late 60s, for example, and there were considerable efforts in the women's rights realm. A pregnancy out of wedlock was a social death sentence in West Germany up until the 1970s (Longer in some regions) - East Germany? You get massive, massive state support complete with a substantial education campaign to foster social acceptance of such, as well as single mothers et al. Compare to the social conservatism of the Third Reich.

The GDR did, ultimately, fail economically (Though it's worth noting that the failure could've been staved off by a decade if it hadn't been forced into net-negative export deals with the USSR), and it was a politically repressive dictatorship. Nothing nice about that.

But with that being said, its economic and social policies and the results thereof put it way, way above the Third Reich.

Not to mention that it opted for self-destruct at the will of the people without significant bloodshed. Which I believe to be preferable to a 'Let the middle school boys fight the russian hordes' Battle of Berlin scenario.

[Camelza]

It was the same, only without the racism. So, no.

[Baltenstein]

Nazi Germany was a one-party dictatorship that started a desctructive war of aggression and industrial genocide, Eastern Germany was a one-party dictatorship that didn't let its citizens emigrate. Quite different scales.

While every Eastern German refugee who died trying to escape over the wall was a victim of state sanctioned murder, it is worth noting than Eastern Germany killed less civilians during its 40 years of existence than Nazi Germany on a single day.

It was the same, only without the racism. So, no.

Eastern Germany had state sanctioned racism too, though it was different.