Was East Germany worse than Nazi Germany?

[Alyakia]

Right.. that's why they banned any secular or atheistic organizations, right?
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nfQ0 ... &q&f=false

The Nazis were based on a weird mix of Christianity and German paganism. Jewish? Fucked. Atheist? Fucked.

They banned them for promoting communism. Martin Bormann was an atheist.

i think they blamed jews and athiests, headed by the godless yet also jewish bolshevik menance.

e: oh i thought you said blamed

[Divair2]

They banned them for promoting communism.

Did you even read the source? These were not communist organizations.

Martin Bormann was an atheist.

Source.

[Diopolis]

They were communists, so yes.

[Herrebrugh]

They were communists, so yes.

Mindblowing arguments!

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

They banned them for promoting communism.

Did you even read the source? These were not communist organizations.

Martin Bormann was an atheist.

Source.

I clicked on the source. The Nazis might have thought of them as promoting communism. Read this on Martin Bormann:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

[Luziyca]

No. It was even better off than West Germany.

[Divair2]

I clicked on the source. The Nazis might have thought of them as promoting communism.

That atheists are communists? Yes. They assumed atheists are communists. Which is why they prosecuted atheists.

Read this on Martin Bormann:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

>ctrl+f "Martin Bormann"
The source is http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... in-Bormann
>ctrl+f "atheist"
>zero results

Try again.

[Geilinor]

No. It was even better off than West Germany.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/09/west-east-germany-split
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/613b074a-c8af-11de-8f9d-00144feabdc0.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reunification#Cost_of_reunification

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

I clicked on the source. The Nazis might have thought of them as promoting communism.

That atheists are communists? Yes. They assumed atheists are communists. Which is why they prosecuted atheists.

Read this on Martin Bormann:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

>ctrl+f "Martin Bormann"
The source is http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... in-Bormann
>ctrl+f "atheist"
>zero results

Try again.

If you hit ctrl+f in the article while typing Martin Bormann, his name will come up. Try again.

[Divair2]

That atheists are communists? Yes. They assumed atheists are communists. Which is why they prosecuted atheists.


>ctrl+f "Martin Bormann"
The source is http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... in-Bormann
>ctrl+f "atheist"
>zero results

Try again.

If you hit ctrl+f in the article while typing Martin Bormann, his name will come up. Try again.

On Wikipedia. Which has to source anything it posts. And the source doesn't say what Wikipedia says. Thus, Wikipedia is wrong.

[Connahkstan]

What an interesting and though-provoking question. Problem is, we don't know, because the Soviets were terribly bad record keepers. We do know, that Stalin had a penchant for killing minorities, majorities, or whatever he felt like killing, hell, he probably killed more people than Hitler. However, Nazi Germany didn't get food and fuel airlifted so, Nazi Germany was probably worse.

Why wouldn't we be able to know which one is worse because "the Soviets were terrible bad record keepers"? Is there some kind of second shoa that has been casually moved out of sight or something?

Because we don't know just how many people the soviets executed and disappeared. We can safely assume over a million, but we don't know.

[Herrebrugh]

Why wouldn't we be able to know which one is worse because "the Soviets were terrible bad record keepers"? Is there some kind of second shoa that has been casually moved out of sight or something?

Because we don't know just how many people the soviets executed and disappeared. We can safely assume over a million, but we don't know.

What does that have to do with the former GDR?

[Libertarian California]

It depends on who you were. The Stasi were pretty brutal. But so were the Gestapo.

[Liberaxia]

... In contrast what? Nazi Germany is about as totalitarian you can get.

An no, the GDR was not worse than Nazi Germany.

The Nazis did not actually achieve totalitarianism. They were far from organized in their operations. And North Korea is as totalitarian as you can get.

Just to reiterate, the tentacles of East Germany's government reached further than the Nazis'. What they didn't do was commit genocide.

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

Ost Deutschland vas Verscheissen, but was not involved in Genocide, so no, it was not as bad as Nazi Germany. (The German words above in English for people who don't know German are: "East Germany was Shitty")

[Othelos]

Depends on who you are and what you value.

[Shie]

East Germany was a better place to live.

[Herrebrugh]

Depends on who you are and what you value.

Not really. One is a state built almost specifically for war and all the terrible things that come with it. The other is a state in which you could live a fairly ordinary live even though it definitely wasn't perfect.

And, yeah, you had the Stasi in the GDR. But the Gestapo was at least as terrible.

[The Rhomaion]

East Germany was really not great, and was totalitarian (which is obviously bad), although they get props for an enlightened policy towards women and childcare.

Nazi Germany was absolutely unquestionably worse.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Ost Deutschland vas Verscheissen, but was not involved in Genocide, so no, it was not as bad as Nazi Germany. (The German words above in English for people who don't know German are: "East Germany was Shitty")

That sure is some excellent German.

(And no, East Germany was not worse than Nazi-era Germany, although there are a handful of similarities)

[Dracoria]

Is bleeding to death worse than dying from sepsis?

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Is bleeding to death worse than dying from sepsis?

Don't know, give it a try and come back to us.

[Dracoria]

Is bleeding to death worse than dying from sepsis?

Don't know, give it a try and come back to us.

I think I'd rather the livable paper cut of the Federal Republic.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Don't know, give it a try and come back to us.

I think I'd rather the livable paper cut of the Federal Republic.

I dunno what the ghost of Hannah Arendt would say about that.

[Shilya]

No, it wasn't. In fact, as far as communist dictatorships go, east germany was one of the better ones. It didn't have the perks of its western equivalent and you had to watch your mouth because everyone was stasi, but life wasn't that horrid. Your best bet was being apolitical.