Was East Germany worse than Nazi Germany?

[Wind in the Willows]

I believe the correct numbers of people murdered by Nazi Germany is actually 11 million. And yes, they are awful.

honestly it depends on who you count. and then if you blame them for the casualties as a result of the war period.

The Scientific States and I came to an agreement through telegram that both Nazi Germany and East Germany sucked. They might not have equally sucked like I mentioned, but they both sucked regardless.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

They were both equally awful.

^ This, just Nazi Germany was much worse.

[Jordsindia]

Nazi Germany was a great place to live, for Germans (before the Allies came and whooped hitler). For other nationalities, mainly Slavs and Jews,it was hell on earth.

East Germany was just as crappy as the rest of the Soviet Union, for everyone.

[Geilinor]

Nazi Germany was a great place to live, for Germans

No, it wasn't. 6 years were spent preparing for war and the other 6 years were spent fighting. War is the only thing people remember about Nazi Germany. http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/survivor-and-psychoanalyst-reflects-on-german-wwii-trauma-a-891349.html

[Pandeeria]

If you were on Hitler's shit list:

No.

If you weren't on Hitler's shit list:

Yes.

[Herrebrugh]

Nazi Germany was a great place to live, for Germans (before the Allies came and whooped hitler). For other nationalities, mainly Slavs and Jews,it was hell on earth.

East Germany was just as crappy as the rest of the Soviet Union, for everyone.

Yeah. Except for having to die for the Leader, it was a great place for sure. And getting bombed. Oh, well.

[The New Lowlands]

Nazi Germany was a great place to live, for Germans (before the Allies came and whooped hitler). For other nationalities, mainly Slavs and Jews,it was hell on earth.

East Germany was just as crappy as the rest of the Soviet Union, for everyone.

Yeah. Except for having to die for the Leader, it was a great place for sure. And getting bombed. Oh, well.

At least they had plenty of bicycles.

[Shofercia]

Do you think East Germany was worse than Nazi Germany? I think East Germany was worse for Aryans, but better for Jews and others persecuted by the Nazi regime. I wonder how many East Germans longed for Hitler. They probably loved him considering he loved the German people. The people persecuted by Hitler probably felt relieved by the Soviet influence in East Germany. I think both countries were horrid.

No. See, that was easy.

[Jordsindia]

Nazi Germany was a great place to live, for Germans (before the Allies came and whooped hitler). For other nationalities, mainly Slavs and Jews,it was hell on earth.

East Germany was just as crappy as the rest of the Soviet Union, for everyone.

Yeah. Except for having to die for the Leader, it was a great place for sure. And getting bombed. Oh, well.

Before war...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I visited East Germany with my father when I was just out of elementary school. It was, without a doubt, the single most depressing place that I've ever set foot in.

[The Scientific States]

Nazi Germany was a great place to live, for Germans (before the Allies came and whooped hitler). For other nationalities, mainly Slavs and Jews,it was hell on earth.

East Germany was just as crappy as the rest of the Soviet Union, for everyone.

Nazi Germany wasn't a good place to live for anyone.

[Herrebrugh]

Yeah. Except for having to die for the Leader, it was a great place for sure. And getting bombed. Oh, well.

At least they had plenty of bicycles.

Do they have some kind of government office for returning bikes over in Germany? I'm in Berlin anyway, so I might as well check to see if I can get opa's bike back...

[Geilinor]

Yeah. Except for having to die for the Leader, it was a great place for sure. And getting bombed. Oh, well.

Before war...

Getting conscripted into the army. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht#Adolf_Hitler_and_the_reinstatement_of_conscription

[Herrebrugh]

Yeah. Except for having to die for the Leader, it was a great place for sure. And getting bombed. Oh, well.

Before war...

Hitler Germany's entire existance depended on war, so this is just a little bit irrelevant.

[The Scientific States]

I visited East Germany with my father when I was just out of elementary school. It was, without a doubt, the single most depressing place that I've ever set foot in.

Clearly you haven't been to Gary, Indiana.

Joking aside, it seemed depressing. Ugly apartment buildings, grey, dreary weather etc.

[Senkaku]

No.

[Britannic Realms]

Nazi Germany was OK for white, straight, non-Jewish people, but it was absolute hell for the rest.

East Germany was equally miserable for everyone but the ruling class.

I think I'll say that Nazi Germany was worse.

[Alyakia]

Yeah. Except for having to die for the Leader, it was a great place for sure. And getting bombed. Oh, well.

Before war...

so were german jews not german? also i left-wing germans too, i guess.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I visited East Germany with my father when I was just out of elementary school. It was, without a doubt, the single most depressing place that I've ever set foot in.

Clearly you haven't been to Gary, Indiana.

Joking aside, it seemed depressing. Ugly apartment buildings, grey, dreary weather etc.

You know, I was going to go for the joke "And I say that as someone who spent a month in LaCrosse, Wisconsin", but reluctantly decided against it. Glad that someone went for it.

[Mormak]

Do the Russian deportations, and Mass killings magically not count?

pretty sure they didn't have literal death camps but feel free to elaborate

Do they need to? To answer the statement posed however.

Literal death camps designed at extermination of an ethic population? no. Were Germans worked to death, imprisoned, forced into slave labor and died in bondage? Yes. And this is not mentioning the millions that were deported into the USSR and worked to death, sent to gulags or returned to their country 15 years after the war.

Not drawing comparison between the two states at the moment, but forcing more then a hundred thousand citizens, POWs and conscripts into digging up Uranium and the conditions and work being comparable to Gulags and death marches seems to me to be genocide by negligence rather then design or intent.

[Jordsindia]

Before war...

Hitler Germany's entire existance depended on war, so this is just a little bit irrelevant.

What I am saying is Pre-war Nazi Germany was better than Cold War East Germany.

[Herrebrugh]

Nazi Germany was OK for white, straight, non-Jewish people, but it was absolute hell for the rest.

East Germany was equally miserable for everyone but the ruling class.

I think I'll say that Nazi Germany was worse.

It was hell for everybody, really. At least when the gears of war started properly turning. I mean, there was fire, destruction, ruins, rape, all that was lacking was the devil himself.

[Divair2]

Hitler Germany's entire existance depended on war, so this is just a little bit irrelevant.

What I am saying is Pre-war Nazi Germany was better than Cold War East Germany.

It really wasn't.

[Alyakia]

pretty sure they didn't have literal death camps but feel free to elaborate

Do they need to? To answer the statement posed however.

Literal death camps designed at extermination of an ethic population? no. Were Germans worked to death, imprisoned, forced into slave labor and died in bondage? Yes. And this is not mentioning the millions that were deported into the USSR and worked to death, sent to gulags or returned to their country 15 years after the war.

Not drawing comparison between the two states at the moment, but forcing more then a hundred thousand citizens, POWs and conscripts into digging up Uranium and the conditions and work being comparable to Gulags and death marches seems to me to be genocide by negligence rather then design or intent.

yes. in order to be worse than a state with literal death camps you probably need a few of your own.

are you just complaining about how mean the USSR was then blaimg east germany for things that happened before it existed?

genocide requires intent.

[The New Lowlands]

Nazi Germany was OK for white, straight, non-Jewish people, but it was absolute hell for the rest.

East Germany was equally miserable for everyone but the ruling class.

I think I'll say that Nazi Germany was worse.

It was hell for everybody, really. At least when the gears of war started properly turning. I mean, there was fire, destruction, ruins, rape, all that was lacking was the devil himself.

And even before the wars, people seem to forget the technological and economic differences between the two states. As far as I know few people starved in the later years of the DDR.