Was East Germany worse than Nazi Germany?

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Do you think East Germany was worse than Nazi Germany? I think East Germany was worse for Aryans, but better for Jews and others persecuted by the Nazi regime. I wonder how many East Germans longed for Hitler. They probably loved him considering he loved the German people. The people persecuted by Hitler probably felt relieved by the Soviet influence in East Germany. I think both countries were horrid.

[Threlizdun]

No

[Shnercropolis]

Germany was a pretty good nation to live in when it got down to it, and honestly Hitler was less of an asshole than Stalin.
So yeah, it was probably worse until perestroika.

[Solaray]

Yes and no.

For people not on the Nazi hit list, Nazi Germany would probably be a nicer place to live than East Germany. Or amy Soviet State for that matter.

But overall, Nazi Germany was much worse as a whole.

[Marsisian]

No, Nazi Germany was slightly more horrible than East Germany.

Here's my list of Germanies:

1. Federal Republic
2. German Empire
3. Weimars
4. East Germany
5. Nazi Germany

[Alyakia]

Germany was a pretty good nation to live in when it got down to it, and honestly Hitler was less of an asshole than Stalin.
So yeah, it was probably worse until perestroika.

how exactly was hitler less of an asshole than stalin?

are you seriously trying to imply that hitler didn't murder his subordinates when he didn't like them all too much anymore? that he didn't have a habit of putting his political enemies in camps (not just to work, but to die)? maybe the ukranians would have an awesomesauce time with hitler-chan who would never ever ever do something like that?

seriously, do tell. what am i missing?

e: for the actual thread, i thought it'd be a bit shit to just post "no". but that's basically the answer.

[Shnercropolis]

Germany was a pretty good nation to live in when it got down to it, and honestly Hitler was less of an asshole than Stalin.
So yeah, it was probably worse until perestroika.

how exactly was hitler less of an asshole than stalin?

are you seriously trying to imply that hitler didn't murder his subordinates when he didn't like them all too much anymore? that he didn't have a habit of putting his political enemies in camps (not just to work, but to die)? maybe the ukranians would have an awesomesauce time with hitler-chan who would never ever ever do something like that?

seriously, do tell. what am i missing?

The standard of living in Nazi Germany was much higher than that of the USSR during that time. And he didn't murder his best advisors, he actually let them make good decisions.

[Alyakia]

how exactly was hitler less of an asshole than stalin?

are you seriously trying to imply that hitler didn't murder his subordinates when he didn't like them all too much anymore? that he didn't have a habit of putting his political enemies in camps (not just to work, but to die)? maybe the ukranians would have an awesomesauce time with hitler-chan who would never ever ever do something like that?

seriously, do tell. what am i missing?

The standard of living in Nazi Germany was much higher than that of the USSR during that time.

ok, so, how does that relate to hitler being less an asshole than stalin? russia was shittier than the rest of the great powers before the russian revolution, and while it improved after it never quite overtook the west. i don't see how that makes hitler less of an asshole than stalin, because he started better off then plundered half the continent to keep it going.

And he didn't murder his best advisors, he actually let them make good decisions.

one of the reasons nazi germany did so shit in the end was because he pitted all his generals and leaders against each other with overlapping and conflicting responsibilities and jurisdictions, then later on overrode his best advisors decisions until he was stuck in a bunker ordering around armies that no longer existed. are we talking about the same guy here?

[Shnercropolis]

The standard of living in Nazi Germany was much higher than that of the USSR during that time.

ok, so, how does that relate to hitler being less an asshole than stalin? russia was shittier than the rest of the great powers before the russian revolution, and while it improved after it never quite overtook the west. i don't see how that makes hitler less of an asshole than stalin, because he started better off then plundered half the continent to keep it going.

And he didn't murder his best advisors, he actually let them make good decisions.

one of the reasons nazi germany did so shit in the end was because he pitted all his generals and leaders against each other with overlapping and conflicting responsibilities and jurisdictions, then later on overrode his best advisors decisions until he was stuck in a bunker ordering around armies that no longer existed. are we talking about the same guy here?

I'm talking pre-WW2.

[Liberaxia]

Well, in contrast to Nazi Germany, East Germany was actually totalitarian. But as bad as or worse than Nazi Germany? They didn't engage in genocide.

[Alyakia]

ok, so, how does that relate to hitler being less an asshole than stalin? russia was shittier than the rest of the great powers before the russian revolution, and while it improved after it never quite overtook the west. i don't see how that makes hitler less of an asshole than stalin, because he started better off then plundered half the continent to keep it going.



one of the reasons nazi germany did so shit in the end was because he pitted all his generals and leaders against each other with overlapping and conflicting responsibilities and jurisdictions, then later on overrode his best advisors decisions until he was stuck in a bunker ordering around armies that no longer existed. are we talking about the same guy here?

I'm talking pre-WW2.

then the stuff about him getting handed a higher living standard and pitting all his best against each other in a paranoid unworkable mess still applies. throw in a few pre-war purges and what happens if you're one of the best in the world but just happen to be jude and you're golden.

[Pagan Hungary]

Not as much genocide, but still a lot of oppression and a shitty place.

[Shnercropolis]

I'm talking pre-WW2.

then the stuff about him getting handed a higher living standard and pitting all his best against each other in a paranoid unworkable mess still applies. throw in a few pre-war purges and what happens if you're one of the best in the world but just happen to be jude and you're golden.

And how is Stalin any better? He royally fucked Russia's economy while Nazism dragged Germany out of the Great Depression.

[Alyakia]

then the stuff about him getting handed a higher living standard and pitting all his best against each other in a paranoid unworkable mess still applies. throw in a few pre-war purges and what happens if you're one of the best in the world but just happen to be jude and you're golden.

And how is Stalin any better? He royally fucked Russia's economy while Nazism dragged Germany out of the Great Depression.

how did he fuck russias economy? did you miss the part where russia went from a practically feudal shithole that couldn't fight for shit and sent painting of the czar to ease the pain of not having bullets or food to an industrialized state capable of taking out the majority of the german forces and into becoming the second largest economy in the world?

i hate to just c+p wikipedia, but "Yet despite the turmoil of the mid-to-late 1930s, the Soviet Union developed a powerful industrial economy in the years before World War II." come on

[Eveylia]

Well, it isn't like Stalin didn't commit genocide, or the brutal subjugation and murder of his own people on a scale dwarfing that of Nazi Germany...

As far as the standard of living, most Germans were much better off under Nazi Germany, Hitler really brought them into the modern era in a big way. However, I don't think his economics (much less politics or military strategy) were stable and likely wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as the USSR's (which we all know didn't last that long either).

Eh, they both sucked. Both were less horrible than the other in ways but I don't think you can really put a rating on how bad they were, better to lump them both into the "Incomprehensibly and Incomparably Bad" category and be done with it in my opinion.

[Dagnia]

As much as I dislike communism, I would have to say no on this. East Germany was only a satellite state of the Soviet Union and about one third the size of a whole Germany. It wasn't as evil and didn't have the potential to be as evil as Nazi Germany. Its Soviet masters however were more evil than the Nazis.

[Blazedtown]

Yes but only because E is a worse letter than N.

[Shnercropolis]

And how is Stalin any better? He royally fucked Russia's economy while Nazism dragged Germany out of the Great Depression.

how did he fuck russias economy? did you miss the part where russia went from a practically feudal shithole that couldn't fight for shit and sent painting of the czar to ease the pain of not having bullets or food to an industrialized state capable of taking out the majority of the german forces and into becoming the second largest economy in the world?

Highlighted in blue: stuff Lenin did
Highlighted in pink: done with massive casualties, inferior weaponry, and tactics that mostly involved throwing troops at a problem until it went away.
Highlighted in green: It helps that most of Europe's economies were destroyed afterwards, no?

[Alyakia]

how did he fuck russias economy? did you miss the part where russia went from a practically feudal shithole that couldn't fight for shit and sent painting of the czar to ease the pain of not having bullets or food to an industrialized state capable of taking out the majority of the german forces and into becoming the second largest economy in the world?

Highlighted in blue: stuff Lenin did
Highlighted in pink: done with massive casualties, inferior weaponry, and tactics that mostly involved throwing troops at a problem until it went away.
Highlighted in green: It helps that most of Europe's economies were destroyed afterwards, no?

well, since it happened and continued in the 30s, i am impressed at lenins spectral planning.

you realize that much of the soviet union was also wrecked, right? hadn't they mostly recovered by 1989 anyway?

[Shnercropolis]

Highlighted in blue: stuff Lenin did
Highlighted in pink: done with massive casualties, inferior weaponry, and tactics that mostly involved throwing troops at a problem until it went away.
Highlighted in green: It helps that most of Europe's economies were destroyed afterwards, no?

well, since it happened and continued in the 30s, i am impressed at lenins spectral planning.

you realize that much of the soviet union was also wrecked, right? hadn't they mostly recovered by 1989 anyway?

Well, he did lay the ground work for the entire USSR and completely revamp Russia's industrial sector. Just sayin'.
By 1989, yes. By 1950, no. They recovered slower than the rest of Europe, which is why East Germany became such a hotspot for deserters.

[0507011209200118090114]

East Germany didn't induce World War 2 and the Holocaust, unlike Nazi Germany. I personally think it's safe to proclaim the former as relatively more pleasant.

[Alyakia]

well, since it happened and continued in the 30s, i am impressed at lenins spectral planning.

you realize that much of the soviet union was also wrecked, right? hadn't they mostly recovered by 1989 anyway?

Well, he did lay the ground work for the entire USSR and completely revamp Russia's industrial sector. Just sayin'.
By 1989, yes. By 1950, no. They recovered slower than the rest of Europe, which is why East Germany became such a hotspot for deserters.

you'd be surprised what the U.S. throwing money at you will do.

anyway i'm worried we might have gotten a bit sidetracked from the original topic here.

[Empire of Narnia]

The DDR was awesome. It is vastly superior to Nazi Germany or West Germany.

[Shnercropolis]

Well, he did lay the ground work for the entire USSR and completely revamp Russia's industrial sector. Just sayin'.
By 1989, yes. By 1950, no. They recovered slower than the rest of Europe, which is why East Germany became such a hotspot for deserters.

you'd be surprised what the U.S. throwing money at you will do.

anyway i'm worried we might have gotten a bit sidetracked from the original topic here.

...not really, we're still discussing Nazi Germany and the USSR.

[Rurmastadt]

No.

Daily life under the two were likely very similar for your typical citizen (fairly tolerable so long as you didn't step out of line), but so far as I know East Germany lacked most of the more disturbing racist and mass brainwashing totalitarian elements of Nazi society.

The genocide and wars put the Nazis in a whole different category of course once you look at the bigger picture.