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Should seat belt laws be removed?

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Seat Belts Shouldn't Be Mandatory

Postby TheTechnically Insane » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:05 am

A law that can punish someone for NOT doing something that affects no one but the person choosing not to do it absolutely should not exist. It's as absurd as it is unconstitutional. The idea that the government gets to mandate something that I do or don't do inside a vehicle that I bought and paid for myself is sickening.
I, personally, am not a seat belt user. Never have been, never will be. Are they a good idea in some cases? Probably. Is it my choice to assume the risk by not wearing it? Absolutely.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:07 am

uhhuh


youre the reason why they have to be mandatory.
whatever

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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:07 am

Seat belts affect other people, so you're wrong.
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Postby Yanalia » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:08 am

Actually the risk is socialised due to the nature of health insurance.
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Postby TheTechnically Insane » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:09 am

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seat belts affect other people, so you're wrong.

Lol how? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:09 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:A law that can punish someone for NOT doing something that affects no one but the person choosing not to do it absolutely should not exist. It's as absurd as it is unconstitutional. The idea that the government gets to mandate something that I do or don't do inside a vehicle that I bought and paid for myself is sickening.
I, personally, am not a seat belt user. Never have been, never will be. Are they a good idea in some cases? Probably. Is it my choice to assume the risk by not wearing it? Absolutely.

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Postby Yanalia » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:10 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seat belts affect other people, so you're wrong.

Lol how? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.


Because health insurance socialises risk.
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Postby Alcase » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:10 am

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Postby TheTechnically Insane » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:10 am

Ashmoria wrote:uhhuh


youre the reason why they have to be mandatory.

You think so? It's not the government's job to keep me safe, it's to keep other people safe from me. That's why stoplights exist, that's why traffic laws exist, they're protecting other people from being hurt involuntary. I understand the risk of no seatbelt, but it's not going to harm anyone but me if I don't wear it. Not wearing the belt is a victimless crime.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:10 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seat belts affect other people, so you're wrong.

Lol how? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Because other people will be killing you when you get in a crash, because hospitals are going to have to take care of you, and because you can and will go flying out of the windshield, and we would hate for you to damage someone's car.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:11 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seat belts affect other people, so you're wrong.

Lol how? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.


when you are in a crash while not wearing a seat belt your body Is flung around the car. that's why we have seat belts.
whatever

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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:11 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:uhhuh


youre the reason why they have to be mandatory.

You think so? It's not the government's job to keep me safe, it's to keep other people safe from me. That's why stoplights exist, that's why traffic laws exist, they're protecting other people from being hurt involuntary. I understand the risk of no seatbelt, but it's not going to harm anyone but me if I don't wear it. Not wearing the belt is a victimless crime.

Ooh, what a badass. You're so cool.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:11 am

Lol, that was pretty funny. Thanks for the laugh, OP.

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Postby Alcase » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:12 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:uhhuh


youre the reason why they have to be mandatory.

You think so? It's not the government's job to keep me safe, it's to keep other people safe from me. That's why stoplights exist, that's why traffic laws exist, they're protecting other people from being hurt involuntary. I understand the risk of no seatbelt, but it's not going to harm anyone but me if I don't wear it. Not wearing the belt is a victimless crime.

Actually it is the government's job to keep you safe.

That's why they're there.
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Postby Bentus » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:12 am

Where I live, it's technically mandatory but isn't enforced. It's a serious issue, because the argument is that when one does not wear a seat belt they are putting their faith in God's will - so it becomes a religious issue. Of course, the problem you end up with is children and passengers not wearing seat-belts because their parents don't strap them in, or they're not taught the importance of doing so. This, in my opinion, is a tragedy waiting to happen, as whilst the adult in the front may survive an accident, courtesy of air bags, etc, the child is not as lucky.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:12 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:uhhuh


youre the reason why they have to be mandatory.

You think so? It's not the government's job to keep me safe, it's to keep other people safe from me. That's why stoplights exist, that's why traffic laws exist, they're protecting other people from being hurt involuntary. I understand the risk of no seatbelt, but it's not going to harm anyone but me if I don't wear it. Not wearing the belt is a victimless crime.


at least we can get a little extra cash out of people like you when you get tickets for not wearing a seat belt.
whatever

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:12 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:A law that can punish someone for NOT doing something that affects no one but the person choosing not to do it absolutely should not exist. It's as absurd as it is unconstitutional. The idea that the government gets to mandate something that I do or don't do inside a vehicle that I bought and paid for myself is sickening.
I, personally, am not a seat belt user. Never have been, never will be. Are they a good idea in some cases? Probably. Is it my choice to assume the risk by not wearing it? Absolutely.


it's for your own good...

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Postby Tejan Peoples » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:12 am

So when you fly through the car window into another person and end up hurting them, you've caused no harm?

When you leave your family without a mother/father/son/daughter because you refused to follow a logical safety procedure, you've caused no harm?

Why would you NOT put on a seatbelt when it takes literally a second to do and could save your life in a car accident!? :eyebrow: :palm:

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Postby TheTechnically Insane » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:13 am

I understand seatbelts keep people safe. And I understand it's pretty stupid NOT to wear it. But it's also the fact that we have the right of choice, and that's being taken away with them being mandatory. It's not protecting anyone else but me, which I don't feel is the government's place.
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Postby Tel » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:13 am

You have my sympathies, OP.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:13 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seat belts affect other people, so you're wrong.

Lol how? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:14 am

Seat belts are mandatory in cars like guard rails are mandatory in buildings.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:14 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:I understand seatbelts keep people safe. And I understand it's pretty stupid NOT to wear it. But it's also the fact that we have the right of choice, and that's being taken away with them being mandatory. It's not protecting anyone else but me, which I don't feel is the government's place.

If anyone was in the car with you, it would harm them because your body will be flung around your car.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:14 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:I understand seatbelts keep people safe. And I understand it's pretty stupid NOT to wear it. But it's also the fact that we have the right of choice, and that's being taken away with them being mandatory. It's not protecting anyone else but me, which I don't feel is the government's place.


but see this is why we have laws against possessing dangerous addictive substances (even if you don't traffic); it's really nothing new.
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Postby Urcea » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:15 am

TheTechnically Insane wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seat belts affect other people, so you're wrong.

Lol how? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.


It's very likely that you not wearing a seat belt will probably kill not only you but everyone else in the car with you.
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