Is Capitalism still the answer?

[Ardoki]

What do you mean people don't care about other people? I don't know where you get that from but it is incredibly wrong and a very foolish statement.

The vast majority of human care about other people, and even those who don't would be willing to help other people if it helped themselves.

Smart phones and laptops don't go against the laws of physics.

In all of human history we have never once added a proton to an atom.

If we ever do it will cost 10s of millions in electricity in a billion dolar facility. For 1 Atom! Its not not ever will be feisable.

Could you please tell me which law of physics that is?

[North Yakistan]

That is a state you arnt an anarchist.

The supreme soviet exercises a monopoly on the legitimate use of force in order to protect the communal system and therefor is a state.

It does not have any control, it merely acts on behalf of the people who elected them, and can instantly recall them.

The only difference between that and congress is congress has set terms.

[Ardoki]

It does not have any control, it merely acts on behalf of the people who elected them, and can instantly recall them.

The only difference between that and congress is congress has set terms.

And congress is corrupted by money.

[Lithuanian Empire]

Which is what the Supreme Soviet is - an authority.

It does not have any authority itself, it merely acts for the people, if they people don't like their delegates they can instantly replace them.

Acting for the people = representing them = a legislative organ.
Also, now you are just using ad hoc.

[North Yakistan]

Smart phones and laptops don't go against the laws of physics.

In all of human history we have never once added a proton to an atom.

If we ever do it will cost 10s of millions in electricity in a billion dolar facility. For 1 Atom! Its not not ever will be feisable.

Could you please tell me which law of physics that is?

Matter cannot be created or destroyed.

[North Yakistan]

The only difference between that and congress is congress has set terms.

And congress is corrupted by money.

And Jim can't bribe them with pastries?

How about sexual favors? Something you can't manufacture

[Ardoki]

It does not have any authority itself, it merely acts for the people, if they people don't like their delegates they can instantly replace them.

Acting for the people = representing them = a legislative organ.

There is a difference between representative democracy and soviet democracy (a type of direct democracy).
The delegates are forced to do exactly as the people wish, otherwise they will be replaced. Do you actually believe this happens in America?

[Ardoki]

Could you please tell me which law of physics that is?

Matter cannot be created or destroyed.

So therefore it can't be converted?

[Lithuanian Empire]

Acting for the people = representing them = a legislative organ.

There is a difference between representative democracy and soviet democracy (a type of direct democracy).
The delegates are forced to do exactly as the people wish, otherwise they will be replaced. Do you actually believe this happens in America?

Now you are just using ad hoc logic.
Also, if they are representatives, they are the authority.

[Ardoki]

And congress is corrupted by money.

And Jim can't bribe them with pastries?

How about sexual favors? Something you can't manufacture

Really? You have to sink this low?

[Ardoki]

There is a difference between representative democracy and soviet democracy (a type of direct democracy).
The delegates are forced to do exactly as the people wish, otherwise they will be replaced. Do you actually believe this happens in America?

Now you are just using ad hoc logic.
Also, if they are representatives, they are the authority.

There is a difference between delegates and representatives.

[North Yakistan]

Acting for the people = representing them = a legislative organ.

There is a difference between representative democracy and soviet democracy (a type of direct democracy).
The delegates are forced to do exactly as the people wish, otherwise they will be replaced. Do you actually believe this happens in America?

The only difference is that a recal can happen at any time.

Under this system everyone could Gang up on one group and exploit them.

[Ardoki]

There is a difference between representative democracy and soviet democracy (a type of direct democracy).
The delegates are forced to do exactly as the people wish, otherwise they will be replaced. Do you actually believe this happens in America?

The only difference is that a recal can happen at any time.

Under this system everyone could Gang up on one group and exploit them.

Have you ever heard of a constitution?
A great majority of the people would have to approve of any changes to the constitution.

[Lithuanian Empire]

Now you are just using ad hoc logic.
Also, if they are representatives, they are the authority.

There is a difference between delegates and representatives.

"ad hoc"

[North Yakistan]

And Jim can't bribe them with pastries?

How about sexual favors? Something you can't manufacture

Really? You have to sink this low?

I wouldn't, but some people would. You need to understand calling something soviet dosnt actualy effect the system itself at all. It's a name.

[North Yakistan]

The only difference is that a recal can happen at any time.

Under this system everyone could Gang up on one group and exploit them.

Have you ever heard of a constitution?
A great majority of the people would have to approve of any changes to the constitution.

STATES have constitutions!

[Ardoki]

There is a difference between delegates and representatives.

"ad hoc"

I don't see how that is an ad hoc?
If you are not going to give any reasons for your claim or answer my posts, goodbye then.

[Ardoki]

Have you ever heard of a constitution?
A great majority of the people would have to approve of any changes to the constitution.

STATES have constitutions!

So do companies and scouts organisations, does that mean they are states?

[Ardoki]

Really? You have to sink this low?

I wouldn't, but some people would. You need to understand calling something soviet dosnt actualy effect the system itself at all. It's a name.

So should I use council democracy or perhaps direct democracy instead?

[Lithuanian Empire]

"ad hoc"

I don't see how that is an ad hoc?
If you are not going to give any reasons for your claim or answer my posts, goodbye then.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid ... 703AARZKGv
This is the type of argument you are using.
Read it.
Also, goodbye, gotta go shopping. North Yakistan, teach him some logic.

[North Yakistan]

I wouldn't, but some people would. You need to understand calling something soviet dosnt actualy effect the system itself at all. It's a name.

So should I use council democracy or perhaps direct democracy instead?

It dosnt matter they are all forms of states.

[North Yakistan]

STATES have constitutions!

So do companies and scouts organisations, does that mean they are states?

Those organizations are voluntary. Being subject to the supreme soviet is not.

[North Yakistan]

I don't see how that is an ad hoc?
If you are not going to give any reasons for your claim or answer my posts, goodbye then.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid ... 703AARZKGv
This is the type of argument you are using.
Read it.
Also, goodbye, gotta go shopping. North Yakistan, teach him some logic.

Will do Lith

[Ardoki]

I don't see how that is an ad hoc?
If you are not going to give any reasons for your claim or answer my posts, goodbye then.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid ... 703AARZKGv
This is the type of argument you are using.
Read it.

It was not an adhoc, there is a difference between delegates and representatives. You refused to acknowledge that.

[Grenartia]

Australia is not state-capitalist, it is market-capitalist. In an "anarcho"-capitalist society the problem would be 100s of times worse.

False Australia IS state capitolist, the state intervenes in the market.

False without the state to prop up monopolies or taxes workers could buy product at true market value without added tax load.

No. That's not state capitalist. The state doesn't own the means of production (which is the definition of state capitalism).

No. They'd have to buy everything at whatever the corporations demand.

Scarcity will be overcome in the future. Or, at least, it'll be rendered increasingly irrelevant, such that society will become effectively post-scarcity, even if its technically still subject to scarcity.

It won't be overcome. Scarcity means that there is a limited amount of anything. It is impossible to make something out of nothing.

Yes. However, with space exploration, travel, and resource exploitation, the amount of resources avaliable increases to the point of being effectively limitless.

An anarcho capitalist society would be just as, if not, even more corrupt, without a government to step in and prevent corruption.

What kind of corruption? Please explain.

Monopolies ( even a single giant monopoly), corporate personhood, corporations becoming government, corporations abusing human rights, etc. With enough money, they could do anything without negative consequences (including suppressing dissent and competition). Basically, McDonalds, in an ancap society, have the potential (and indeed, would have the opportunity) to become like Russia under Stalin. Please. Lets not make the name Ronald McDonald be spoken with the same level of contempt as Kim Jong Il.

Currently, yes. However, if we make the proper investments, not in the future. Space farms, hydroponics, etc., etc..

And at that time the human population will dwarf the current one.

Not inherently. Not at all. Hell, we could do that shit today if humanity as a whole could manage to get our thumbs out of our asses.

And who would build them in a communist society? There are no investors and no state, and people themselves don't have any funds.

Ding ding ding the magic question

Which is why I can't support communism. Socialism, yes, but not communism. I agree with a classless society, I just don't find myself being able to convince myself that moneylessness and statelessness are at all desireable.

Post-scarcity does not imply making "something out of nothing".

Dosnt change the fact post scarcity is a childlike fantasy with no basis in reality

Except, that's not the case.

But there will be more labor to build more of these things and the technology will be much cheaper. Human population size and ingenuioty will save the day. Probably.

And yet where will the resources come from? We have finite quantitys of metals, foscil fuels, ect.

And it will be centuries before mining GOLD from asteroids is even possible, many more before its evonomicly feisable, and many more still before its so for Iron, Zinc, ect.

Lel. Such pessimism.

Post-scarcity is definitely possible with the right technology.

No. There is finite amounts of metals on earth.

You don't need infinite materials and energy for post scarcity. Just more than the current human population could possibly exhaust. Which isn't infinite.

The people would regulate it, through the use of the workers councils.

Lots of people don't have the necisary understanding of economics to regulate such a complex system.

The invisible hand of the market is far better at resource alocation than people.

Lel, you actually believe that load of horseshit? That the ghost hand is some sort of nigh- omnipotent and omniscient deity that is somehow able to discern who deserves what, how much, and when? Its a more ridiculous proposition than Young Earth Creationism and Intelligent Design.