Is Capitalism still the answer?

[North Yakistan]

And at that time the human population will dwarf the current one.

But there will be more labor to build more of these things and the technology will be much cheaper. Human population size and ingenuioty will save the day. Probably.

And yet where will the resources come from? We have finite quantitys of metals, foscil fuels, ect.

And it will be centuries before mining GOLD from asteroids is even possible, many more before its evonomicly feisable, and many more still before its so for Iron, Zinc, ect.

[Ardoki]

Post-scarcity does not imply making "something out of nothing".

Post-scarcity is an alternative form of economics or social engineering in which goods, services and information are universally accessible.[1] This would require a sophisticated system of resource recycling, in conjunction with technologically advanced automated systems capable of converting raw materials into finished goods.

It technically doesn't, but who would regulate it? There is no state?

The people would regulate it, through the use of the workers councils.

[Lithuanian Empire]

Dosnt change the fact post scarcity is a childlike fantasy with no basis in reality

Post-scarcity is definitely possible with the right technology.

Pseudo post-scarcity, but not real post-scarcity, where things are pretty mch infinite.

[Ardoki]

The people would decide if they should be built and several (worker-run and public) businesses will build them.

But where could they get the materials, or the funds? All of their work results are given to others, and those others may not want to build it - not everyone is singl minded.
By the way "work results given to others". Reminds you of something?

The economy would be directed/overseen by a planning committee (which is not a top down system like in the USSR) which is selected by the Supreme Soviet.

[North Yakistan]

Dosnt change the fact post scarcity is a childlike fantasy with no basis in reality

Post-scarcity is definitely possible with the right technology.

No. There is finite amounts of metals on earth.

[Lithuanian Empire]

Post-scarcity is an alternative form of economics or social engineering in which goods, services and information are universally accessible.[1] This would require a sophisticated system of resource recycling, in conjunction with technologically advanced automated systems capable of converting raw materials into finished goods.

It technically doesn't, but who would regulate it? There is no state?

The people would regulate it, through the use of the workers councils.

Won't work - people don't give a fuck about other people.

Also, do you see how utopic you went?

[Ardoki]

Post-scarcity is definitely possible with the right technology.

Pseudo post-scarcity, but not real post-scarcity, where things are pretty mch infinite.

I disagree, with the right technology we could create elements and other products in a lab.

[Lithuanian Empire]

But where could they get the materials, or the funds? All of their work results are given to others, and those others may not want to build it - not everyone is singl minded.
By the way "work results given to others". Reminds you of something?

The economy would be directed/overseen by a planning committee (which is not a top down system like in the USSR) which is selected by the Supreme Soviet.

So your utopic communist society has a leadership from all the sudden? Didn't you say it was stateless?

[Ardoki]

The people would regulate it, through the use of the workers councils.

Won't work - people don't give a fuck about other people.

Also, do you see how utopic you went?

What do you mean people don't care about other people? I don't know where you get that from but it is incredibly wrong and a very foolish statement.

The vast majority of human care about other people, and even those who don't would be willing to help other people if it helped themselves.

[North Yakistan]

Post-scarcity is an alternative form of economics or social engineering in which goods, services and information are universally accessible.[1] This would require a sophisticated system of resource recycling, in conjunction with technologically advanced automated systems capable of converting raw materials into finished goods.

It technically doesn't, but who would regulate it? There is no state?

The people would regulate it, through the use of the workers councils.

Lots of people don't have the necisary understanding of economics to regulate such a complex system.

The invisible hand of the market is far better at resource alocation than people.

[Ardoki]

The economy would be directed/overseen by a planning committee (which is not a top down system like in the USSR) which is selected by the Supreme Soviet.

So your utopic communist society has a leadership from all the sudden? Didn't you say it was stateless?

It is stateless, however there would be a system of government directly controlled by the workers (I'm guessing you didn't read my links).
Unlike ancaps I know that there is a difference between a state and a system of government.

[Ardoki]

The people would regulate it, through the use of the workers councils.

Lots of people don't have the necisary understanding of economics to regulate such a complex system.

The invisible hand of the market is far better at resource alocation than people.

That is why the Supreme Soviet would select a committee to regulate in the name of the people.

[Lithuanian Empire]

So your utopic communist society has a leadership from all the sudden? Didn't you say it was stateless?

It is stateless, however there would be a system of government directly controlled by the workers (I'm guessing you didn't read my links).
Unlike ancaps I know that there is a difference between a state and a system of government.

A government equals a state.
Also, that's not the point. You should see how far-fetched and utopic you went.

[North Yakistan]

Pseudo post-scarcity, but not real post-scarcity, where things are pretty mch infinite.

I disagree, with the right technology we could create elements and other products in a lab.

... You have not even the most basic understanding of chemistry do you.

And that could never be economically feisable. The amount of energy needed to add 1 proton to one atom in a lab would be insane, not to mention the cost of the lab.

You have managed to come up with a statement even more detached from practical reality than post scarcity economics. I salute you.

[North Yakistan]

Lots of people don't have the necisary understanding of economics to regulate such a complex system.

The invisible hand of the market is far better at resource alocation than people.

That is why the Supreme Soviet would select a committee to regulate in the name of the people.

THAT'S A STATE!

[Ardoki]

It is stateless, however there would be a system of government directly controlled by the workers (I'm guessing you didn't read my links).
Unlike ancaps I know that there is a difference between a state and a system of government.

A government equals a state.
Also, that's not the point. You should see how far-fetched and utopic you went.

No it isn't! Some anarchists for example believe in a federation of workers councils and yet they are against the state.

[Ardoki]

I disagree, with the right technology we could create elements and other products in a lab.

... You have not even the most basic understanding of chemistry do you.

And that could never be economically feisable. The amount of energy needed to add 1 proton to one atom in a lab would be insane, not to mention the cost of the lab.

You have managed to come up with a statement even more detached from practical reality than post scarcity economics. I salute you.

I did imply the future. I bet 50 years ago smartphones or laptop computers would have been though of as impossible.

[Lithuanian Empire]

Pseudo post-scarcity, but not real post-scarcity, where things are pretty mch infinite.

I disagree, with the right technology we could create elements and other products in a lab.

The laws of physics say that you cannot create matter or energy, just swap the both.
You are just using ad hoc logic to stay here.

[North Yakistan]

A government equals a state.
Also, that's not the point. You should see how far-fetched and utopic you went.

No it isn't! Some anarchists for example believe in a federation of workers councils and yet they are against the state.

That is a state you arnt an anarchist.

The supreme soviet exercises a monopoly on the legitimate use of force in order to protect the communal system and therefor is a state.

[Ardoki]

That is why the Supreme Soviet would select a committee to regulate in the name of the people.

THAT'S A STATE!

No it isn't. A state is a hierarchical institution which exercises authority and force over subordinates. Due to the fact that the members of the Supreme Soviet are not in effective control (they are just delegating on behalf of the lower Soviets) and are instantly recallable if they do not fulfill the peoples wishes.

[Ardoki]

I disagree, with the right technology we could create elements and other products in a lab.

The laws of physics say that you cannot create matter or energy, just swap the both.
You are just using ad hoc logic to stay here.

What law of physics is that?

[Lithuanian Empire]

THAT'S A STATE!

No it isn't. A state is a hierarchical institution which exercises authority and force over subordinates. Due to the fact that the members of the Supreme Soviet are not in effective control (they are just delegating on behalf of the lower Soviets) and are instantly recallable if they do not fulfill the peoples wishes.

Which is what the Supreme Soviet is - an authority.

[Ardoki]

No it isn't! Some anarchists for example believe in a federation of workers councils and yet they are against the state.

That is a state you arnt an anarchist.

The supreme soviet exercises a monopoly on the legitimate use of force in order to protect the communal system and therefor is a state.

It does not have any control, it merely acts on behalf of the people who elected them, and can instantly recall them.

[North Yakistan]

Won't work - people don't give a fuck about other people.

Also, do you see how utopic you went?

What do you mean people don't care about other people? I don't know where you get that from but it is incredibly wrong and a very foolish statement.

The vast majority of human care about other people, and even those who don't would be willing to help other people if it helped themselves.

Smart phones and laptops don't go against the laws of physics.

In all of human history we have never once added a proton to an atom.

If we ever do it will cost 10s of millions in electricity in a billion dolar facility. For 1 Atom! Its not not ever will be feisable.

[Ardoki]

No it isn't. A state is a hierarchical institution which exercises authority and force over subordinates. Due to the fact that the members of the Supreme Soviet are not in effective control (they are just delegating on behalf of the lower Soviets) and are instantly recallable if they do not fulfill the peoples wishes.

Which is what the Supreme Soviet is - an authority.

It does not have any authority itself, it merely acts for the people, if they people don't like their delegates they can instantly replace them.