Is Capitalism still the answer?

[ShadowDragons]

No it's main principles are open markets and strong private property rights.

In a way it does. Some may advocate a small one but others believe the economic strength brought on by low taxes facilitates more charity and jobs which more efficiently replace government welfare.

Some factions do, but it depends really on what you like. I think society needs security and that's what the governments for.

[North Yakistan]

In a way it does. Some may advocate a small one but others believe the economic strength brought on by low taxes facilitates more charity and jobs which more efficiently replace government welfare.

Some factions do, but it depends really on what you like. I think society needs security and that's what the governments for.

While I understand that position as an AnCap I don't think an involuntarily funded safety net is moraly acceptable, as it constitutes theft under threat of violence, regardless of how much good it serves.

[The USOT]

Some factions do, but it depends really on what you like. I think society needs security and that's what the governments for.

While I understand that position as an AnCap I don't think an involuntarily funded safety net is moraly acceptable, as it constitutes theft under threat of violence, regardless of how much good it serves.

How is it involuntary? Do you not have the potential to leave your state?

[Divair2]

Some factions do, but it depends really on what you like. I think society needs security and that's what the governments for.

While I understand that position as an AnCap I don't think an involuntarily funded safety net is moraly acceptable, as it constitutes theft under threat of violence, regardless of how much good it serves.

It's not involuntary. You can leave anytime you like.

[North Yakistan]

While I understand that position as an AnCap I don't think an involuntarily funded safety net is moraly acceptable, as it constitutes theft under threat of violence, regardless of how much good it serves.

How is it involuntary? Do you not have the potential to leave your state?

I have the potential to leave but not to remove my land from it.

[North Yakistan]

While I understand that position as an AnCap I don't think an involuntarily funded safety net is moraly acceptable, as it constitutes theft under threat of violence, regardless of how much good it serves.

It's not involuntary. You can leave anytime you like.

But I can't withdraw my land from it.

[Divair2]

It's not involuntary. You can leave anytime you like.

But I can't withdraw my land from it.

You don't own land. The state does.

[North Yakistan]

But I can't withdraw my land from it.

You don't own land. The state does.

How so?

[The USOT]

How is it involuntary? Do you not have the potential to leave your state?

I have the potential to leave but not to remove my land from it.

So you have the potential to leave, and yet you choose to stay. That is as voluntary as it gets, you just don't seem to like the downsides of leaving your state.

[Divair2]

You don't own land. The state does.

How so?

The state claimed it, either through conquest or colonization. The state maintains it as part of its borders. The state allows you (if you follow certain regulations, pay your taxes, and follow the law) to use that land for your own needs. It was never yours. You're simply borrowing it. Sometimes for a very long time, but it's still the state's and that's why maps show states instead of individual households.

[The Scientific States]

exactly. my point is, the food from the organic grocery store tastes far better than mcdonalds. dont believe me, try it.

I have. And nothing beats McDonalds.

Indeed. I'd rather have a large fries than a quinoa salad.

[The Scientific States]

Welfare, foodstamps, and universal healthcare=good.

Agrarianism and Anti Chemical BS=awful.

your awful. Go to an organic store and buy organic food. now go to mcdonalds. taste the difference?

I'm awful for having a different opinion?

Also, I've been to stores like Whole Foods and the like. Their food tastes fine, for the most part, but organic stores like those are just marketing gimmicks to make people pay more.

[Pandeeria]

your awful. Go to an organic store and buy organic food. now go to mcdonalds. taste the difference?

I'm awful for having a different opinion?

Also, I've been to stores like Whole Foods and the like. Their food tastes fine, for the most part, but organic stores like those are just marketing gimmicks to make people pay more.

This.

[The Scientific States]

Doesn't classical liberalism usually oppose a safety net?

No it's main principles are open markets and strong private property rights.

Those are it's main principles, but it also seems opposed to a strong social safety net. I'll read more about it, I guess.

[Divair2]

Welfare, foodstamps, and universal healthcare=good.

Agrarianism and Anti Chemical BS=awful.

your awful. Go to an organic store and buy organic food. now go to mcdonalds. taste the difference?

Yes. Organic food tastes like shit, just like McDonald's.

[The Grand World Order]

Is capitalism the answer?

Please. It's the problem.

[North Yakistan]

How so?

The state claimed it, either through conquest or colonization. The state maintains it as part of its borders. The state allows you (if you follow certain regulations, pay your taxes, and follow the law) to use that land for your own needs. It was never yours. You're simply borrowing it. Sometimes for a very long time, but it's still the state's and that's why maps show states instead of individual households.

So the conquest of land grants legitimate ownership? You believe theft is acceptable?

[Divair2]

The state claimed it, either through conquest or colonization. The state maintains it as part of its borders. The state allows you (if you follow certain regulations, pay your taxes, and follow the law) to use that land for your own needs. It was never yours. You're simply borrowing it. Sometimes for a very long time, but it's still the state's and that's why maps show states instead of individual households.

So the conquest of land grants legitimate ownership? You believe theft is acceptable?

Nowadays it's not. In the past it was. That's why we have modern borders. If you prefer to live on unclaimed land, you're free to start exploring the Pacific.

[North Yakistan]

So the conquest of land grants legitimate ownership? You believe theft is acceptable?

Nowadays it's not. In the past it was. That's why we have modern borders. If you prefer to live on unclaimed land, you're free to start exploring the Pacific.

So morality is relative?

[Divair2]

Nowadays it's not. In the past it was. That's why we have modern borders. If you prefer to live on unclaimed land, you're free to start exploring the Pacific.

So morality is relative?

Subjective, not relative. Time is relative. Morality is all about consensus.

[North Yakistan]

So morality is relative?

Subjective, not relative. Time is relative. Morality is all about consensus.

So if the majority agrees it is morally acceptable to kill the minority it is acceptable?

[Divair2]

Subjective, not relative. Time is relative. Morality is all about consensus.

So if the majority agrees it is morally acceptable to kill the minority it is acceptable?

That's what the majority believes. Just as history is written by the victor, so to is morality written by the consensus. I may disagree with it all I please, but I'm no more superior than anyone else. You have to have a massive ego to claim that.

[North Yakistan]

So if the majority agrees it is morally acceptable to kill the minority it is acceptable?

That's what the majority believes. Just as history is written by the victor, so to is morality written by the consensus. I may disagree with it all I please, but I'm no more superior than anyone else. You have to have a massive ego to claim that.

I'm not claiming that. I'm asking if that's moraly acceptable.

However it seems like your just a nihilist in which case you can't realy be argued with.

[Divair2]

I'm not claiming that. I'm asking if that's moraly acceptable.

In my book? No.

However it seems like your just a nihilist in which case you can't realy be argued with.

Moral nihilism is simply acknowledgement of reality. There is no objective morality. How could there be? There are no deities to dictate it, or superior human beings to enforce it. It's all about consensus. If humanity agrees something is moral or immoral, then it just is. Who can dispute that? Aliens?

[Geilinor]

That's what the majority believes. Just as history is written by the victor, so to is morality written by the consensus. I may disagree with it all I please, but I'm no more superior than anyone else. You have to have a massive ego to claim that.

However it seems like your just a nihilist in which case you can't realy be argued with.

What other solution is there if not nihilism? Can you prove that your morals are absolute?