Is Capitalism still the answer?

[Stormwind-City]

Is capitalism the answer? No, and you can find out why in my new book "Capitalism Sux Ballz". On sale now for only 29.99 NS-$.

[North Yakistan]

I am not extending my protection to anyone else, not calling on some government, not implying force on anyone.
What your saying would work on a libertarian, not me.
That quote is about enforcing your views on others, I enforce them only on myself and my property.

By having something you consider to be your property, and exclude others from utilizing it, you are forcing your views on others.
Physical objects are pretty easy and fairly universal, though one can envision someone raised in a truly communal society where personal property is non-existent getting very upset when you beat them for using 'your' car.


How about something more difficult, that different people will have different views on? Water rights, digital media, intellectual property. You download a song that someone else wrote, you believe you have done nothing wrong (after all, they haven't lost anything), yet they believe they have rights to stop you from doing this.
Forcing your ideas of property rights on others.

Alright, now this is an arguement. I would say if they have a problem to come talk it out and we can see about it. But again this is not enshrining my belief as law, I am simply stating my belief. It is open to discusion and agreement, to contract and commerce.

[Neragua]

Yes. Yes it is.

Cronyism and state capitalism - the corrupted versions of capitalism that has brought this world to its knees on many an occasion - can go to hell, though.

[Divair2]

It only takes 67 out of 100 in the US to change the constitution and put the other 33 to death.

Is this a legitimate concern?

Roughly as legitimate as the Nazi Moon bases.

[The Padelas Empire]

Capitalism thrives on conflict and will lead to the extinction of the human race - millions die due to the sheer concept -

Continued it will lead to increased problems - it is a master slave concept - it is infact disguised fascism - How can one be at ease whilst others starve and im not talking about the people who don't work but the people with degrees who are still unemployed - the nations whose resources exploited for hundreds of years and now they are lost in war and famine - The sheer horror of the system is everywhere Laws , Education , Health care -

Sure it allows a person to rise in the world but at the cost of how many others , We are humans and this system is literally taken out of the wild i mean survival of the fittest what kind of sick ideology is that.

And yet it denies the other concepts calling them impractical and utopian - simply said the path of capitalism is the path to destruction - and in your safe homes with modern facilities available to you you might not feel this -

But take a second to explore the world - and think about the 7 billion other people on this planet -

Start giving a damn why don't you !

1. I have three words to dismantle the argument you have provided that is based on morality- I don't care. Your argument is subjective therefore it is already lost.
2. So then explain how we get rid of greed, laziness, corruption, war, ANY idea of superiority, the idea of individual property, and then of course fix stupidity.
3. I'm not paying for some fucking idiot who decided to have 3 or 4 kids when he could only financially support one at most. That's their own fault, you want something like this solved, then put something like a birth licensing program into effect.
4. Private property is natural, not just in humans but in nature in general. Ape sees harem as his. Some carnivor sees his hunting grounds as his. My flipping dog bites my other pups if they try and take her food or try to take take particular chew toy of hers. Examples go on and on.
5. If you want to somehow create substance equality, you destroy human diversity with it, and already this idea of substance equality is already nearly impossible to do. There is no standard of how things shall be done, what is the substance that everyone will share, and how do we avoid things that make one individual seen superior over another, like for instances looks?
6. Now that you have called capitalism out as the grand hoobah of killers, what system is there to replace it?

[North Yakistan]

"In this world, even a Soviet one, there will always be rich and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love."
-Danelov, Enemy at the Gates

[North Yakistan]

Is this a legitimate concern?

Roughly as legitimate as the Nazi Moon bases.

But should it even be feasible.

If you want something more realistic the 99% vote a 95% income tax on the 1%

[Divair2]

Roughly as legitimate as the Nazi Moon bases.

But should it even be feasible.

If you want something more realistic the 99% vote a 95% income tax on the 1%

Roughly as realistic as the Nazi Moon bases.

[North Yakistan]

But should it even be feasible.

If you want something more realistic the 99% vote a 95% income tax on the 1%

Roughly as realistic as the Nazi Moon bases.

How so, I agree it won't happen but it is feisable, there are certainly those who would like to see it. They would only need 51% of the vote and 51% of the representatives.

[Liberaxia]

By having something you consider to be your property, and exclude others from utilizing it, you are forcing your views on others.
Physical objects are pretty easy and fairly universal, though one can envision someone raised in a truly communal society where personal property is non-existent getting very upset when you beat them for using 'your' car.


How about something more difficult, that different people will have different views on? Water rights, digital media, intellectual property. You download a song that someone else wrote, you believe you have done nothing wrong (after all, they haven't lost anything), yet they believe they have rights to stop you from doing this.
Forcing your ideas of property rights on others.

Alright, now this is an arguement. I would say if they have a problem to come talk it out and we can see about it. But again this is not enshrining my belief as law, I am simply stating my belief. It is open to discusion and agreement, to contract and commerce.

You run into a hard green who thinks your activities constitute aggression against the environment.

[Divair2]

Roughly as realistic as the Nazi Moon bases.

How so, I agree it won't happen but it is feisable, there are certainly those who would like to see it. They would only need 51% of the vote and 51% of the representatives.

Which is about as feasible as Nazi Moon bases.

[North Yakistan]

How so, I agree it won't happen but it is feisable, there are certainly those who would like to see it. They would only need 51% of the vote and 51% of the representatives.

Which is about as feasible as Nazi Moon bases.

Rather than going "nuh-ugh" over and over why not explain why

[North Yakistan]

Alright, now this is an arguement. I would say if they have a problem to come talk it out and we can see about it. But again this is not enshrining my belief as law, I am simply stating my belief. It is open to discusion and agreement, to contract and commerce.

You run into a hard green who thinks your activities constitute aggression against the environment.

After showing him a video of a wolf eating an elk if he has a problem with that I do on my land he can try and stop me but have fun with that.

[Pilotto]

Is capitalism the answer? No, and you can find out why in my new book "Capitalism Sux Ballz". On sale now for only 29.99 NS-$.

That.. that was funny. I just might have to sig this.

[Grenartia]

Do you believe the capitalist system is inherently broken? How would you fix it, or what would you replace it with?

I personally believe that an anarco-communist society would be the best way to go from here.

Yes, capitalism is broken. It was way better than its predecessor, feudalism, but we have better options now. I'd personally go for something between social democracy, liberatarian socialism, and market socialism.

[Liberaxia]

No, it wasn't. Capitalism as a social system did not exist before the late 1700s/early 1800s.

So then what is an 11th century society of free yeoman farmers called? It lacks the complex financial structure of modern capitalism but was a totally free market.

It was nothing like a free market. Free markets didn't exist until the onset of the Industrial Revolution. You libertarians point to systems that you say are working models of your idealized one when they are in fact nothing alike. Sure, Iceland at that time wasn't organized like nation-state with Westphalian sovereignty, but so what? The absence of the nation-state is not free market capitalism.

[The very scilly Isles]

Well, the phrase is that a country should be judged by its poorest citizens and capitalism treats it's poor like rubbish because lazy offspring can inherit a fortune that there ancestors made and be rich whilst poorer, undeserving offspring inherit the mess their ancestors got them in.

[Alcase]

Perhaps, perhaps...

[Nervium]

Yes. Yes it is.

Cronyism and state capitalism - the corrupted versions of capitalism that has brought this world to its knees on many an occasion - can go to hell, though.

What's the difference between crony capitalism and True Capitalism?

[Valica]

This thread was so close to death, too.
Tsk.

[Murkwood]

Yes, yes it is.

[Nervium]

This thread was so close to death, too.
Tsk.

This thread, much like capitalism, cannot exist when uncorrupted, the more corrupt it becomes, the more it functions and thrives.

[Valica]

This thread was so close to death, too.
Tsk.

This thread, much like capitalism, cannot exist when uncorrupted, the more corrupt it becomes, the more it functions and thrives.

Capitalism with regulation would work fine without corruption.
Anecdotal data does not trump all else.
Just because one capitalist country involves corruption does not mean capitalism is inherently corrupted.
If it were like communism in that every capitalist system that had ever existed contained a hefty amount of corruption...
I'd agree with you then. But that is not the case.
It's individuals that cause harm to the system.

[Ostroeuropa]

This thread, much like capitalism, cannot exist when uncorrupted, the more corrupt it becomes, the more it functions and thrives.

Capitalism with regulation would work fine without corruption.
Anecdotal data does not trump all else.
Just because one capitalist country involves corruption does not mean capitalism is inherently corrupted.
If it were like communism in that every capitalist system that had ever existed contained a hefty amount of corruption...
I'd agree with you then. But that is not the case.
It's individuals that cause harm to the system.

You need decently high taxation in order to prevent the corruption of officials.
When an individual or small group of individuals are rich, have their personal living expenses entirely covered etc. And still have billions left over, it becomes trifling for a handful of individuals to completely corrupt a legislature or regulatory body.
Ideally, we need to bring taxes to a point where someone can be rich, very rich, live in mansions and have helicopters and all that kind of shit, and pay upkeep on it all, but cannot single handedly reduce the government or a part of it to cronies with masses of cash.

[Valica]

Capitalism with regulation would work fine without corruption.
Anecdotal data does not trump all else.
Just because one capitalist country involves corruption does not mean capitalism is inherently corrupted.
If it were like communism in that every capitalist system that had ever existed contained a hefty amount of corruption...
I'd agree with you then. But that is not the case.
It's individuals that cause harm to the system.

You need decently high taxation in order to prevent the corruption of officials.
When an individual or small group of individuals are rich, have their personal living expenses entirely covered etc. And still have billions left over, it becomes trifling for a handful of individuals to completely corrupt a legislature or regulatory body.
Ideally, we need to bring taxes to a point where someone can be rich, very rich, live in mansions and have helicopters and all that kind of shit, and pay upkeep on it all, but cannot single handedly reduce the government or a part of it to cronies with masses of cash.

You can read my sig and see that I'm a die-hard capitalist.
That being said, I don't think politicians should be paid. It should be a volunteer job.
With that in mind, there should be a court that deals with political corruption and can remove a politician from office if they are bought off.
All politicians should work jobs next to their political career.
If our politicians were of the working class and cared about their work, this country would be a substantially better shape.