Black People Are Racist Too!

[Neutraligon]

No fucking shit.

Depends on the culture, if your on some isolated island untouched by modern civilizations then it'd likely mean jack shit, but we operate in the midst of cultures full of countless forms of hypocrisy, assumptions and all around bullshit.

Oh yeah, being in a majority black location doesn't help either, it's about power, not population.

Even then, either can be influenced.

Believe me, if I could pack up and live on my own private island off the coast of Scotland and never interract with anyone /ever/ again I would. This stuff makes me hate humanity.

I never asked to be black..

No more then any person asked to be a woman. It isn't fair, which is why people are trying to stop it.

[Socialist Tera]

Has this thread turned into a thread where a small amount of white males complain about their lose of privilege yet?

[Dyakovo]

Has this thread turned into a thread where a small amount of white males complain about their lose of privilege yet?

No, but not for lack of effort.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No fucking shit.

Depends on the culture, if your on some isolated island untouched by modern civilizations then it'd likely mean jack shit, but we operate in the midst of cultures full of countless forms of hypocrisy, assumptions and all around bullshit.

Oh yeah, being in a majority black location doesn't help either, it's about power, not population.

Even then, either can be influenced.

Believe me, if I could pack up and live on my own private island off the coast of Scotland and never interract with anyone /ever/ again I would. This stuff makes me hate humanity.

I never asked to be black..

Welcome to the club.

[Nirya]

No fucking shit.

Depends on the culture, if your on some isolated island untouched by modern civilizations then it'd likely mean jack shit, but we operate in the midst of cultures full of countless forms of hypocrisy, assumptions and all around bullshit.

Oh yeah, being in a majority black location doesn't help either, it's about power, not population.

Even then, either can be influenced.

Believe me, if I could pack up and live on my own private island off the coast of Scotland and never interract with anyone /ever/ again I would. This stuff makes me hate humanity.

I never asked to be black..

Don't be so self-hating. Put some pride into who you are !

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Believe me, if I could pack up and live on my own private island off the coast of Scotland and never interract with anyone /ever/ again I would. This stuff makes me hate humanity.

I never asked to be black..

Don't be so self-hating. Put some pride into who you are !

Whether people know it themselves or not, it often comes with the territory.

[The Liberated Territories]

No fucking shit.

Depends on the culture, if your on some isolated island untouched by modern civilizations then it'd likely mean jack shit, but we operate in the midst of cultures full of countless forms of hypocrisy, assumptions and all around bullshit.

Oh yeah, being in a majority black location doesn't help either, it's about power, not population.

Even then, either can be influenced.

Believe me, if I could pack up and live on my own private island off the coast of Scotland and never interract with anyone /ever/ again I would. This stuff makes me hate humanity.

I never asked to be black..

Can I join you? We can create our own hermit society with it's own government!

Or would that be redundant?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Your source is guilty of: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question and a whole lot of https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

They basically invent their own definition, and explain why they invented it.

Racism is bigotry based on race. That is all racism is. There are no other qualifiers.

Methinks you only see these particular logical fallacies in the source because you disagree with the basic premise.

Racism is a social construction created by Europeans during the Era of Colonization to more effectively rule over their colored subjects. Therefore racism has always had an element of power to it. Without this power there is no racism. There can be bigotry and race prejudice, but not racism. Reverse racism is a concept created by people who don't understand how racism works structurally.

Other groups that have structural power over certain groups based on race or ethnicity, for example the Han Chinese over the Tibetans, could also be described as racists or, at least, ethnicists, depending on what your definition of "race" is.

Your definition of racism is crap because that's not how most people actually use the word. No amount of long-winded pontificating will change the way the word is actually used.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Your definition of racism is crap because that's not how most people actually use the word. No amount of long-winded pontificating will change the way the word is actually used.

He's using the sociological and psychological definition of racism; and in that sense he is correct. It isn't a "long-winded pontification" as you like to call it or somehow try to detract from it since you are using it from a "common man's" perspective and he's not.

To be fair, I have learned not to trust common people to define complex terms; we have proved ourselves as laymen to be incapable of grasping concepts such as a theory - which holds a very different meaning in science and academia than it does to the layman, yet you don't hear me saying "your concept of theory is crap because that's not how people use it, so your evolution 'theory' doesn't hold any grounds in my books".

[Nazi Flower Power]

In my opinion, humans are inherently xenophobic. Deep down we fear what we do not know or aren't used to. If you grow up in an environment around people of one particular race and a big minority of the rest, your behavior towards people of a different race can be construed as racist. I'd call this our "neutral" setting, which changes through experience for better or worse.

Positive experiences will gradually rid people of this kind of "neutral racism" or xenophobia, but negative experiences will only make it worse. Of course, ideologies passed on from other people can also become an influence.

But how can people in America have positive experiences with people of other races if most of our neighborhoods and schools are still de facto segregated?

They're not THAT segregated. Most places you will meet at least a few people of different races.

The people who have literally never met a person of color probably live in northern New England or extremely rural areas of the West and do not travel much. They are not bothering anyone, so there is no need to disturb them.

[Bolnoa]

White America.

Is there a Black America too?

I often places ties with it with Liberia.

[Arumdaum]

Is there a Black America too?

I often places ties with it with Liberia.

Liberia and the African-American community are totally different, despite Liberia being founded as a place for free African-Americans to go to.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Is Christian a silly name for a black person?

No.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Is Christian a silly name for a black person?

No.

^This, I know a few.

[Risottia]

Blacks have been systemically discriminated against by Europeans for centuries, and in most countries, still lack the same opportunities a white European man would have due their race.

America =/= most of the world.

[Nirya]

Is Christian a silly name for a black person?

No, any race can have any name.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Hell, even in the suburbs I get called out for "acting white". People conform to stereotypes, and that's on of the biggest issues.

Absolutely. That is a huge part of what holds minorities back in the US.

[Nirya]

Thank you.

Hm, you're actually quite pleasant.

Now, I know judges should not be prejudiced and I know biased attitudes exist. However, you have to realize a lot of blacks tend to live crowded together in poor neighborhoods, many of which I've already mentioned. Poor neighborhoods tend to lead to more crime. I'm not trying to justify any biased attitudes against blacks, I'd just like you to understand why they exist.

As for the names, I certainly would try and consider all the applicants and hire whoever is the best qualified. I'm simply saying a parent should not try and give their children any possible disadvantages in life, and having silly names can be a bit of a disadvantage.

Though all of this seems like common sense, you also have to think that they're conforming to society based on these names, and therefore either don't know better, or don't expect their child to succeed. Most of the time low ranked will breed low ranked, though some (like my parents) will make it out. Hell, even in the suburbs I get called out for "acting white". People conform to stereotypes, and that's on of the biggest issues.

I'm on a phone, so this may not be 100% coherent

You just continue and ignore them.

[Shie]

Just honestly curious if anyone else has thought about this, and realized how bad it is.
A black man can say "Black Power!" or "Black Pride!" and get support.
I as a white man could say "White Pride!" and be considered a racist.

BlackPeopleMeet.com isn't racist, although if I were to make a WhitePeopleMeet.com, I can almost guarantee that a LOT of African Americans would petition to get the website taken down.

BET. Black Entertainment Channel. If anyone were to try to make a White Entertainment Channel, the FCC wouldn't allow it. It would be considered Racist and Offensive.
Anyone else notice this major problem?

There should be more interracial couples.

[Nazi Flower Power]

This only makes sense if you redefine racism to include power as part of it's definition. For those of us who don't, you're just being a weasel.

Why should racism include some notion of power in it's deifnition? What benefit does it serve, other than allowing for minorities to be freed from any form of criticisim with the label? That isn't how people popularly understand the term now, so what benefit is there to a change in terminology?

The benefit is more descriptive because power is how racism manifests itself in the world. The category of race itself, the label attached to people, is an instrument of power that allows us to categorize people and give/ withold certain benefits from them because of their membership in that category. Using a prejudice plus power definition also allows us to see that the primary problem when it comes to racism is not peoples' individual opinions about people of other races but how racism is institutionalized in the very fabric of our society, in our schools, courts, churches, neighborhoods, government institutions, etc.

There is a reason why phrases like "instituitional racism" exist. That way you can explain what you mean without making asinine statements like, "Black people can't be racist."

Never mind that black people can hold positions of power, even in a society where the majority of power is held by white people. So even by your own whacked definition of racism, there are racist black people.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Your definition of racism is crap because that's not how most people actually use the word. No amount of long-winded pontificating will change the way the word is actually used.

He's using the sociological and psychological definition of racism; and in that sense he is correct. It isn't a "long-winded pontification" as you like to call it or somehow try to detract from it since you are using it from a "common man's" perspective and he's not.

To be fair, I have learned not to trust common people to define complex terms; we have proved ourselves as laymen to be incapable of grasping concepts such as a theory - which holds a very different meaning in science and academia than it does to the layman, yet you don't hear me saying "your concept of theory is crap because that's not how people use it, so your evolution 'theory' doesn't hold any grounds in my books".

That's not a fair comparison at all. Saying "your evolution 'theory' doesn't hold any grounds in my books" makes it sound like you're dismissing the whole concept of evolution, not just a definition of the word "theory." (It's also painful for me to type such a hickish sounding sentence because I am from Massachusetts and nobody talks like that up here. You hurt my brain. )

When it comes to the definition of "racism," that's a linguistic issue, not a scientific one. The debate here is not about the source of societal inequality, it's about definition of a word. Words mean what people use them to mean.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Blacks have been systemically discriminated against by Europeans for centuries, and in most countries, still lack the same opportunities a white European man would have due their race.

America =/= most of the world.

America is not the only country that has discrimination against black people. The racial divisions in Europe, Australia, Canada, etc. follow a similar pattern.

China tends to treat all non-Asians like they are some kind of freaks, but they prefer whites over blacks when they hire foreign experts. I've heard Japan is like that too, but I don't have first hand experience with it.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

America =/= most of the world.

America is not the only country that has discrimination against black people. The racial divisions in Europe, Australia, Canada, etc. follow a similar pattern.

China tends to treat all non-Asians like they are some kind of freaks, but they prefer whites over blacks when they hire foreign experts. I've heard Japan is like that too, but I don't have first hand experience with it.

Japan is allegedly rough for a brother.

No experience though, so google it.

[-The West Coast-]

Definitely; Every race is racist.

[Wind in the Willows]

I completely agree. Black Pride should be banned as well, or they should allow White Pride. And no, I am not talking about Neo-Nazis, I am talking about people that are proud of their heritage.