Black People Are Racist Too!

[Saiwania]

So???? Why would you expect them to?

Conversely, how can Whites that aren't self hating be expected to support a cause which is diametrically opposed to White interests?

As a member of society, I call BS. How different groups interact and perceive each other does concern everyone.

And generally, if you know people that are women, or a part of a minority, you could at least sympathize. Not turn your nose up in the air because you think white people are so different from non-whites.

It is simply recognizing what you are and where you belong. Egalitarianism is sex and gender neutral, while feminism is sex neutral but gender focused towards the feminine, that much is clear in the name. I can support feminism and I recommend that other men do, but as a male I cannot consider myself a feminist. It is a movement primarily meant just for women even if it is devoted to making the sexes equal in society.

[Dyakovo]

Racists are stupid, we are all well aware of this. No one even takes them seriously, so what's the point ?

Why did you just call yourself stupid?

Compulsive honesty.
*nods*

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I can speak for a shitload of black people when I say that we don't have equality.

Where do you live?

Detroit -> Highland Park -> Nearby suburbs with business I still have to take care of in Detroit.

Needless to say, my life is very much involved in the city, but as a virtual hermit crab, I can't say much on social issues IMO.

[Nirya]

Why did you just call yourself stupid?

Compulsive honesty.
*nods*

He lacks substance, I asked him how I was "white supremacist", which was what he called me, he never explained. *sigh*

[Draica]

And what of hard work? Can't that mould many people to be successful, including us blacks? I was told on this thread earlier that it wasn't hopeless.

Going up and down the economic ladder is not impossible, but we do have more factors to consider in many decisions, some of which no one at all should even have to take into account.

That, and even the amount of money and influence you have won't stop certain "drawbacks" from happening.

That, and the definition of "success" depends on who you ask, personally for me it's a pair of bisexual supermodel girlfriends and a mansion.

That, and race is only one in a shitload of interconnected spheres like class, nationality, and gender.

I wish I was the guy that could explain all things, but I'm much better at watching than speaking.

So wait wait.

Someone could have:

Been from a wealthy African American family, Two-parent household.

Gotten straight a's.

Not talk ghetto or dress ghetto,

be a millionaire do everything right and STILL will be more disadvantaged than a white person in that same situation? So basically it's mainly about the skin color, not anything else?

[Dyakovo]

Compulsive honesty.
*nods*

He lacks substance, I asked him how I was "white supremacist", which was what he called me, he never explained. *sigh*

It was a joke, nothing more.

[Saiwania]

Detroit -> Highland Park -> Nearby suburbs with business I still have to take care of in Detroit.

That is your problem right there, you need to save up enough money to get out of Detroit, that is a dead city which is long past any hope of revival. I'd leave Michigan entirely. There are richer states one can get ahead in.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Going up and down the economic ladder is not impossible, but we do have more factors to consider in many decisions, some of which no one at all should even have to take into account.

That, and even the amount of money and influence you have won't stop certain "drawbacks" from happening.

That, and the definition of "success" depends on who you ask, personally for me it's a pair of bisexual supermodel girlfriends and a mansion.

That, and race is only one in a shitload of interconnected spheres like class, nationality, and gender.

I wish I was the guy that could explain all things, but I'm much better at watching than speaking.

So wait wait.

Someone could have:

Been from a wealthy African American family, Two-parent household.

Gotten straight a's.

Not talk ghetto or dress ghetto,

be a millionaire do everything right and STILL will be more disadvantaged than a white person in that same situation? So basically it's mainly about the skin color, not anything else?

If by that you mean class level doesn't erase racial disadvantages in today's cultures, then yes, because it's about more than money.

Hell, if Romney had won, would we have pictures with a bone through his nose and a birth certificate search?

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Detroit -> Highland Park -> Nearby suburbs with business I still have to take care of in Detroit.

That is your problem right there, you need to save up enough money to get out of Detroit, that is a dead city which is long past any hope of revival. I'd leave Michigan entirely. There are richer states one can get ahead in.

1) Not in Detroit, nearby suburbs, but it's not Robocop ffs (though some places get too close for comfort).

2) As for MI, yeah someday.

3) It's not about Detroit being dead IMO, the question that's important is what it's going to be in the future, and on who will bear the burden of its creation.

[Arumdaum]

Going up and down the economic ladder is not impossible, but we do have more factors to consider in many decisions, some of which no one at all should even have to take into account.

That, and even the amount of money and influence you have won't stop certain "drawbacks" from happening.

That, and the definition of "success" depends on who you ask, personally for me it's a pair of bisexual supermodel girlfriends and a mansion.

That, and race is only one in a shitload of interconnected spheres like class, nationality, and gender.

I wish I was the guy that could explain all things, but I'm much better at watching than speaking.

So wait wait.

Someone could have:

Been from a wealthy African American family, Two-parent household.

Gotten straight a's.

Not talk ghetto or dress ghetto,

be a millionaire do everything right and STILL will be more disadvantaged than a white person in that same situation? So basically it's mainly about the skin color, not anything else?

Of course they'd still be disadvantaged.

Who would the police be more likely to shoot? Who would be more likely to be chased after if they both left a mall and a burglary alarm went off? Who would have the civilizations made by his race be degraded as "uncivilized" and inadequate? Who is less likely to get a call back after a job interview? Who is treated as an "other" in the society in which he lives? Who can you be more racist to? Who are people more likely to be scared of? If they both got into a good university, who is going to be thought of as not actually smart enough for the university but only there because of affirmative action?

All of the answers in this are the black man.

[Draica]

So wait wait.

Someone could have:

Been from a wealthy African American family, Two-parent household.

Gotten straight a's.

Not talk ghetto or dress ghetto,

be a millionaire do everything right and STILL will be more disadvantaged than a white person in that same situation? So basically it's mainly about the skin color, not anything else?

Of course they'd still be disadvantaged.

Who would the police be more likely to shoot? Who would be more likely to be chased after if they both left a mall and a burglary alarm went off? Who would have the civilizations made by his race be degraded as "uncivilized" and inadequate? Who is less likely to get a call back after a job interview? Who is treated as an "other" in the society in which he lives? Who can you be more racist to? Who are people more likely to be scared of? If they both got into a good university, who is going to be thought of as not actually smart enough for the university but only there because of affirmative action?

All of the answers in this are the black man.

Damn it, damn it, damn it! *Sigh*

[Othelos]

So???? Why would you expect them to?

Conversely, how can Whites that aren't self hating be expected to support a cause which is diametrically opposed to White interests?

People can advance their rights/living standards/place in society/etc. without costing another group. Explain how non-whites being equal to whites would be a bad thing.

As a member of society, I call BS. How different groups interact and perceive each other does concern everyone.

And generally, if you know people that are women, or a part of a minority, you could at least sympathize. Not turn your nose up in the air because you think white people are so different from non-whites.

It is simply recognizing what you are and where you belong. Egalitarianism is sex and gender neutral, while feminism is sex neutral but gender focused towards the feminine, that much is clear in the name. I can support feminism and I recommend that other men do, but as a male I cannot consider myself a feminist. It is a movement primarily meant just for women even if it is devoted to making the sexes equal in society.

'Where someone belongs'? I can support the feminist movement, even though I'm male. What's stopping me?

[Arumdaum]

Of course they'd still be disadvantaged.

Who would the police be more likely to shoot? Who would be more likely to be chased after if they both left a mall and a burglary alarm went off? Who would have the civilizations made by his race be degraded as "uncivilized" and inadequate? Who is less likely to get a call back after a job interview? Who is treated as an "other" in the society in which he lives? Who can you be more racist to? Who are people more likely to be scared of? If they both got into a good university, who is going to be thought of as not actually smart enough for the university but only there because of affirmative action?

All of the answers in this are the black man.

Damn it, damn it, damn it! *Sigh*

I can make a much longer list if you want.

[Draica]

Damn it, damn it, damn it! *Sigh*

I can make a much longer list if you want.

That'd just be pouring salt onto the wound.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So???? Why would you expect them to?

Conversely, how can Whites that aren't self hating be expected to support a cause which is diametrically opposed to White interests?

As a member of society, I call BS. How different groups interact and perceive each other does concern everyone.

And generally, if you know people that are women, or a part of a minority, you could at least sympathize. Not turn your nose up in the air because you think white people are so different from non-whites.

It is simply recognizing what you are and where you belong. Egalitarianism is sex and gender neutral, while feminism is sex neutral but gender focused towards the feminine, that much is clear in the name. I can support feminism and I recommend that other men do, but as a male I cannot consider myself a feminist. It is a movement primarily meant just for women even if it is devoted to making the sexes equal in society.

Not all of us are this hard-line categorical. Some of us call ourselves feminists, don't feel proud of our race, or feel I'm acting against my own self-interest by furthering one cause.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I can make a much longer list if you want.

That'd just be pouring salt onto the wound.

Well, shit, welcome to the ass end of the spectrum.

[Draica]

That'd just be pouring salt onto the wound.

Well, shit, welcome to the ass end of the spectrum.

So, it has been solidified once more, being black in itself is a disadvantage..

[Arumdaum]

That'd just be pouring salt onto the wound.

Well, shit, welcome to the ass end of the spectrum.

Although my pains are not as great as yours...

Colored solidarity.

[Swedish Realm]

Jackie Arklöv sure was racist.
lolololol

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Well, shit, welcome to the ass end of the spectrum.

So, it has been solidified once more, being black in itself is a disadvantage..

No fucking shit.

Depends on the culture, if your on some isolated island untouched by modern civilizations then it'd likely mean jack shit, but we operate in the midst of cultures full of countless forms of hypocrisy, assumptions and all around bullshit.

Oh yeah, being in a majority black location doesn't help either, it's about power, not population.

Even then, either can be influenced.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Well, shit, welcome to the ass end of the spectrum.

Although my pains are not as great as yours...

Colored solidarity.

Meh, I'm a hermit anyway.

Give me enough money and a stable location and I'll be fine for the rest of my life.

[Dyakovo]

I can make a much longer list if you want.

That'd just be pouring salt onto the wound.

That's alright. We've no shortage of salt.

[Arumdaum]

Although my pains are not as great as yours...

Colored solidarity.

Meh, I'm a hermit anyway.

Give me enough money and a stable location and I'll be fine for the rest of my life.

If you RP on here it's hell. Everyone gets racist as fuck.

[Arumdaum]

I can make a much longer list if you want.

That'd just be pouring salt onto the wound.

Here's a very nice work worth reading.

http://www.nymbp.org/reference/WhitePrivilege.pdf

Only four pages long.

[Draica]

So, it has been solidified once more, being black in itself is a disadvantage..

No fucking shit.

Depends on the culture, if your on some isolated island untouched by modern civilizations then it'd likely mean jack shit, but we operate in the midst of cultures full of countless forms of hypocrisy, assumptions and all around bullshit.

Oh yeah, being in a majority black location doesn't help either, it's about power, not population.

Even then, either can be influenced.

Believe me, if I could pack up and live on my own private island off the coast of Scotland and never interract with anyone /ever/ again I would. This stuff makes me hate humanity.

I never asked to be black..