Black People Are Racist Too!

[Lingang]

Just honestly curious if anyone else has thought about this, and realized how bad it is.
A black man can say "Black Power!" or "Black Pride!" and get support.
I as a white man could say "White Pride!" and be considered a racist.

BlackPeopleMeet.com isn't racist, although if I were to make a WhitePeopleMeet.com, I can almost guarantee that a LOT of African Americans would petition to get the website taken down.

BET. Black Entertainment Channel. If anyone were to try to make a White Entertainment Channel, the FCC wouldn't allow it. It would be considered Racist and Offensive.
Anyone else notice this major problem?

Blacks are MORE racist then White People, you just dont see it on the Media because the Niggers were ''wrongly enslaved'' a few hundred years ago. It'd be the same if the Whites were the ones still shitting in Holes in Africa when the *cough*civilized*cough* Whites found them there and used them for a better purpose.

Can we just fucking lock this thread already?

[Mavorpen]

Yeah. Right.

Your study is flawed. It doesn't take into account the defendant's criminal record in these cases.

If someone has a record the odds are they're going to receive a tougher sentence.

This is how the justice system works.

Next.

Too bad it actually does account for this. ALL studies concerning this made within the past 20 years do. In fact, if you ACTUALLY went to the source cited in the article, it even says this.

To address that difficulty social scientists have traditionally applied control variables to standard regression equations, a statistical method for identifying significant correlations between observed events. For instance, controlling for type of crime committed or for the defendant’s criminal history, researchers look to see whether the results of their equation still show racial disparity.

Sorry, but reality doesn't agree with your racist beliefs.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

According to most prominent critical racism theories a bunch of fifteen-year-olds on Tumblr, black people are incapable of being racists because there is no structural racism to back it up. If racism is defined as discrimination + structural power to enact that discrimination, then black people cannot be racists because they have no power. White people, however, can be racists because they receive white privilege whether they want to or not. In fact all white people (and I'm white) are racists because they receive white privilege. White people can be anti-racists, but they will always be racists as long as the structures that provide white privilege are in place.

This is not to say black people cannot be bigots. They just can't be racists.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... ish/racism

Can we stop with the "X = prejudice + power so group Y can't be X" nonsense please? Let's be honest: the thought process is not "Well, if we define racism as such and such black people can't be racist," it's "Gee, if we define racism as such and such my views on white people are racist. I'd better try to redefine racism in such a way that my bigotry is excluded. While I'm at it, I might as well make the definition automatically include all white people."
These kinds of position are about as logically sound as a KKK member claiming "I'm not racist because black people aren't human and racism by definition only applies to prejudice against other humans."

I've also noticed that these theories always seem to break the world into monolithic "oppressors" and "victims," and don't really address more complex situations. For example, what would you call black people being racially prejudiced against Native Americans, or vice versa? As far as I know, neither group has a particular power advantage over the other. For that matter, what about conflicts between different "white" ethnicities, e.g. in Bosnia? Who are the racists there?

1. The racism equals prejudice plus power theories were actually originally formulated by white anti-racists, not black people trying to justify their own anti-white prejudices.
2. Prejudice plus power theories highlight how the category of race, and thus racism itself, is socially constructed.
3. Prejudice plus power theories of racism actually have a more complex understanding of how racism is institutionalized and how racial power and privilege are distributed throughout the nation to people with the right skin color.
4. Black people can be racially prejudiced against Native Americans, true, but that would be an instance of racial prejudice, not racism. Unless the blacks have some sort of power over the Native Americans and restrict access to this power from Native Americans, it is not racism.
5. The conflict in Bosnia is obviously more a matter of ethnicity than racism.

I might not be explaining myself really well, so please read below to get a better understanding of what I'm trying to say.

As the dawn of the 21st century nears, racism‹the most important and persistent social problem in America and in the world today‹is on the rise in increasing ways. Whether we are talking about ethnic cleansings, group hatred or retraction of equity laws under the guise that these are unfair, the underlying issue is the same. One group, threatened by the perceived loss of power, exercises social, economic and political muscle against the Other to retain privilege by restructuring for social advantage. Such actions and efforts call for an understanding of the basic concepts of prejudice and racism, and how to lessen their destructive effect.

At the heart of prejudice lies two concepts: ignorance and fear. All of us tend to have prejudicial attitudes towards others. This type of prejudice or "pre-judgment" is based on ignorance. It is a normal human response to racial, social, sexual and other forms of differences, because all human beings tend to prejudge others on the basis of limited knowledge, especially if they are different from us. Thus we are all prejudiced, and virtually none are exempt. Most of what passes for prejudice in society is the result of ignorance of other groups and their way of life and social condition. Because of the way American society is presently structured, most Whites have almost no conceptual idea nor first-hand experience of life in the African American and Latino communities. This is because the prevailing norms of separation and segregation that prevent people of different racial/ethnic groups from interacting with each other in a meaningful and positive way, perpetuate this ignorance of groups, which in turn gives rise to attitudes of prejudice. In light of such a common human condition, the advice of a former seminary professor of mine is most helpful and worthy of practice: "The mark of a mature mind is the ability to suspend judgment until all the evidence is in."

The other factor is fear, and this one goes much deeper than ignorance, for its strikes at the root of prejudice, the issue of privilege and power. What makes racial prejudice so sinister is not just the act of prejudging a person or a group. Prejudice is an inflexible, rational attitude that, often in a disguised manner, defends privilege, and even after evidence to the contrary will not change, so that the post-judgment is the same as the pre-judgment.. In the definition of prejudice, the indictment is greater for post-judgment than for pre-judgment. If you don¹t have post-judgment in your definition of prejudice you don¹t know what you are talking about. This is because racial prejudice is the refusal to change one's attitude even after evidence to the contrary, so that one will continue to post-judge people the same way one pre-judged them. This is the due to the fear of losing the power of privilege. In prejudice people are basically defending privilege of position and thus stand to gain emotionally, culturally, socially and economically from an attitude of prejudice towards others. Whenever people sense that these privileges are threatened they become fearful of the Other and react. The old adage applies here: "A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still." Prejudice thus becomes the mental framework to protect from fear, thereby safeguarding a position of social advantage and privilege over others defined as different, and therefore, undeserving. People find great social and economical benefit from being prejudiced. And as long as these gains are forthcoming, people will continue to maintain their prejudice, in spite of the evidence to the contrary, for prejudice is more visceral than cerebral.

Prejudice operates on three levels:

1. The Cognitive Level‹What people believe about others, their stereotypes. Stereotypes are a set of exaggerated and inaccurate generalizations about a group or category of people that is either favorable or unfavorable, which are often emotionally toned and not susceptible of modification through empirical evidence. These generalizations are maintained because they are a shared belief receiving strong support from one's reference groups. Stereotypes are the social scripts we have in our heads about others and the roles we believe they should play in our socially constructed world.

2. The Emotional Level‹The feelings that the Other arouses in an individual. These may be negative feelings of fear, dread, caution, fight or flight; or positive feelings of joy, solidarity, and we-ness, depending on how the Other is viewed. The deep well out of which these feelings rise is filled with early memories of encounters with others or with behaviors and beliefs we were socialized, which surge to the surface when the Other is encountered. The emotional level is the most important level because even after the cognitive level has been challenged and undermined, we still hang on to prejudice at the emotional or affective level because of the psychological need it fulfills‹the need to feel superior, which in actuality is a state of inferiority. Much of this can be attributed to an educational system in this country that has deprived most White Americans of their ethnic heritage, by touting the experience of one group‹the English‹as the norm for all. Thus, Nathan McCall is correct when he declares that "the education system in this country has failed white people more than it¹s failed anybody else. It has crippled them and limited their humanity. They¹re the ones who need to know the most about everybody because they¹re the ones running the country. They¹ve been taught so little about anybody other than white people that they can¹t understand, even when they try." When Whites see persons of color expressing pride in their heritage there is a sense of estrangement because they cannot do the same except in some generic "American" heritage. The result is an attack on multiculturalism and the need for a sense of psychological superiority expressed in prejudice at the affective level.

3. The Behavioral Level‹The tendency to engage in discriminatory behavior. Discrimination is the unequal treatment of individuals or groups on the basis of some, usually categorical, attribute, such as race, ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, age, or social class membership. Prejudice is an attitude, however. When it results in an action, it becomes discrimination. Both together form the basis for racism. Prejudice is an attitudinal bias, while discrimination is a behavioral bias.

The privilege that prejudice rationally defends is a product of racism. Racism, however, is more than just prejudice and discrimination combined. Racism is a socially constructed reality at the heart of society¹s structures. Racism is the deliberate structuring of privilege by means of an objective, differential and unequal treatment of people, for the purpose of social advantage over scarce resources, resulting in an ideology of supremacy which justifies power of position by placing a negative meaning on perceived or actual biological/cultural differences. Racism and prejudice are not mental illnesses or psychological problems people have. Neither are they the product of "psychological abnormalities." Both are rational, cultural and structural phenomena to defend power. Racism goes beyond prejudice (an attitude) to structure this power advantage politically, economically, culturally and religiously within a social system, whether it be simple (as in personal bias) or complex (as in the role apartheid played in South Africa), which gives social advantage to some at the expense of others perceived to be inferior and undeserving.

In its essence, racism is culturally sanctioned strategies that defend the advantages of power, privilege and prestige which "Whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities." This deliberate political, economical, religious and sociocultural structuring of privilege, does not take place in some moral vacuum. It has behind it the moral force of an ideology of supremacy, an ill-will that claims racial superiority and pride of position. By ideology I mean a system of ideas and beliefs about the universe, to which a people adhere in order to justify their attitudes and actions. This ideology can have a religious or a scientific basis, depending on which one shapes our worldview. Nevertheless the outcome is the same, where one group benefits and the other does not.

http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/papers/caleb/racism.html

[Death Metal]

Funny, pretty much every black person I've met has been very friendly and accepting. Whereas there's a least a good portion of whites I've met that are complete bigots and horrendous people I don't want to be around.

It's as if subjective experiences can be widely different.

Me, I've met all kinds of people who were nice, and all kinds of people who were completely bigoted assholes.

It's almost like no ethnic group is factually more or less bigoted than any other

[Vettrera]

Your study is flawed. It doesn't take into account the defendant's criminal record in these cases.

If someone has a record the odds are they're going to receive a tougher sentence.

This is how the justice system works.

Next.

Too bad it actually does account for this. ALL studies concerning this made within the past 20 years do

Sorry, but reality doesn't agree with your racist beliefs.

He can't be racist, he has one black friend named unique

[Esternial]

Black people are racist.
White people are racist.

People are racist. Much surprise. Such shock.

[Nazi Flower Power]

"African sounding names"? You mean like Neaquan, Waysia, Cashe, etc? Those aren't "African sounding names". Those are names made up by parents who want a unique sounding name. In fact, I have a black friend who is literally named 'Unique'.

Going for a unique name is stupid and I won't hesitate in saying so, what does that accomplish? That is only to your child's detriment when the vast majority of cultures demand at least some level of conformity. You can be different but not completely outlandish. If my parents gave me a stupid name, I'd have to go out of my way to pay money to have my first name legally changed to something more respectable.

I have a name that my parents made up. It's not really that big of a problem. You just have to say it couple of times when you meet new people so that they can learn how to pronounce it, and then be patient when people get it wrong.

[Senyosu]

Black people are racist.
White people are racist.

People are racist. Much surprise. Such shock.

Basically it. However, the very social construct that facilitates such human behaviour is the real issue. Caused again, by the Western European sea-faring empires on their road to conquest and easy governance.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Fair question, and fair demand.

Black people tend to face significant barriers to employment due to a tendency to be convicted of crimes more often. While black people do tend to commit certain types of crimes more often then white people, once socioeconomic factors are taken into consideration, the incarceration rate shows an obvious bias against black people. Even in the absence of a criminal record, merely having a name that seems "black sounding" to recruiters can cause one to be ignored in favor of someone with equivalent experience and a "white sounding" name.

Additionally, black students have a tendency to come from poorer backgrounds, to be raised in environments less conducive to learning due to said backgrounds, and to attend less well-run and well-funded schools.

Shall I continue?

I feel it's worth noting your first link basically talks about how both white and black males with criminal records are less likely to be hired for a job. While this certainly isn't a good thing, you must ask yourself... if you were a business owner who would you hire? Jimmy with the perfectly clean record or Bob, the convicted murderer?

Your second link is the HuffPo, a site with liberal bias. Sorry, but no.

I must ask you, do you even know what these "black sounding names are"? I do, they're ridiculous and made up names like Neaquan, Deaquan, Alquan, Waysia, Cashe, I could go on. They're names given to individuals who typically grow up in low-income crime ridden neighborhoods. If you want your child to have the best possible life they can... why would you make up such ridiculous names?

Blacks have a tendency to live in less well off neighborhoods. Less well off neighborhoods tend to have schools with poor funding. I do agree with you on that one, the educational system needs a complete reform.

Here's the article that HuffPo link was leading to. I actually meant to link it instead, but got caught up in tab confusion. I believe that it puts the first link into perspective.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

Whatever the reasons may be for parents giving their children these names, it is undeniable that they are associated with black people, and that people are putting aside resumes because of the "black sounding" names. To turn the question around, if you're running a business, wouldn't you want to hire the best person regardless of race, and therefore invite as many qualified applicants to interview as possible regardless of their names?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Going for a unique name is stupid and I won't hesitate in saying so, what does that accomplish? That is only to your child's detriment when the vast majority of cultures demand at least some level of conformity. You can be different but not completely outlandish. If my parents gave me a stupid name, I'd have to go out of my way to pay money to have my first name legally changed to something more respectable.

I have a name that my parents made up. It's not really that big of a problem. You just have to say it couple of times when you meet new people so that they can learn how to pronounce it, and then be patient when people get it wrong.

My last name is difficult for people to get so I get what you're saying.

[MERIZoC]

Too bad it actually does account for this. ALL studies concerning this made within the past 20 years do

Sorry, but reality doesn't agree with your racist beliefs.

He can't be racist, he has one black friend named unique

As Stephen Colbert recently put it, (and I paraphrase) Nothing is whiter than spending 15 minutes explaining why you are not a racist.

[Death Metal]

-snip-

Your source is guilty of: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question and a whole lot of https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

They basically invent their own definition, and explain why they invented it.

Racism is bigotry based on race. That is all racism is. There are no other qualifiers.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Reverse racism is bullshit as a social concept.

Where to begin, ah yes. Racism as a natural part of 'human nature' is going to exist either way. Someone looks different, there will be a small form of rejection to said different oerson. Now, racism as a social construct is similar, but diffirent in that it facilitates such human behaviour to be justified and to use it to one's ends.

The European conquerors used Racism as a social construct to drive 'racial lines' betweenthe people's they conquered. Not only to make themselves feel superior, but to divide the conquered lands to make governance... Well... Easier. Now you see, this where it becomes a bit strange. Racism exists either way. Racism as the social construct of racial and social stratification only allows one to justify superiority. In this case, the Europeans themselves. When I say European, I mean specifically those nations that had significant naval capibility to go off and make empires. Which would be most of the Alantic Western European nations like Spain, Portugal, The United Kingdom, France, etc.

Now we come to how reverse racism is bullshit. Claiming someone of color 'racist' on the grounds of their racial pride is a bit foolish. This is as a result of colonial mentality. The mentality of being racially stratified from what was consider the norm of that time. Now. The difference between white pride and black pride is that white people suffered little to none as a result of the applied social stratification that is racism. In fact, they benefited. Hence the term white privelige and the like, but that tends to get messy and whatnot, so I'll cut it short for there. Black pride is to celebrate the accomplishments of the black community throughout the decades. It is desireable for them as it celebrates their victory over an oppressive sysetm that brings out the worst in human behaviour and nature.

In the end all, racism as the social construct really benefits those that created in the first place. Hence why white pride is inherently redundant and racist. Hence why reverse racism is bullshit. Hence why black pride and Asian pride is justifiable, as they commemorate the steady deestablishment of a system that solely benefits one 'race'

In the end, racism exists by default. The social construct created by the 'mighty whitey' if you may, is the building to be destroyed.

Pretty much this.

[Death Metal]

I have a name that my parents made up. It's not really that big of a problem. You just have to say it couple of times when you meet new people so that they can learn how to pronounce it, and then be patient when people get it wrong.

My last name is difficult for people to get so I get what you're saying.

Me, I've been considering changing my name because it's too common.

[Draica]

Does it make me bigoted/racist that I barely have any friends of my own race?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My last name is difficult for people to get so I get what you're saying.

Me, I've been considering changing my name because it's too common.

My first name is the most common and simple name ever but it does look cool with the rest so.

[MERIZoC]

Does it make me bigoted/racist that I barely have any friends of my own race?

No...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Does it make me bigoted/racist that I barely have any friends of my own race?

Depends on the reasons involved, but I doubt it.

[Senyosu]

Does it make me bigoted/racist that I barely have any friends of my own race?

No. In fact, none would be even concerned with such. Unless your relative have a problem, but other than that, no. It does not make you a bigot. So cheer up, don't dwell on it, because white guilt I find is more annoying than white pride itself. Assuming you are white, that is.

[Guadalupador]

Does it make me bigoted/racist that I barely have any friends of my own race?

Nah, it's all good.

[Aurora Novus]

Reverse racism is bullshit as a social concept.

Where to begin, ah yes. Racism as a natural part of 'human nature' is going to exist either way. Someone looks different, there will be a small form of rejection to said different oerson. Now, racism as a social construct is similar, but diffirent in that it facilitates such human behaviour to be justified and to use it to one's ends.

The European conquerors used Racism as a social construct to drive 'racial lines' betweenthe people's they conquered. Not only to make themselves feel superior, but to divide the conquered lands to make governance... Well... Easier. Now you see, this where it becomes a bit strange. Racism exists either way. Racism as the social construct of racial and social stratification only allows one to justify superiority. In this case, the Europeans themselves. When I say European, I mean specifically those nations that had significant naval capibility to go off and make empires. Which would be most of the Alantic Western European nations like Spain, Portugal, The United Kingdom, France, etc.

Now we come to how reverse racism is bullshit. Claiming someone of color 'racist' on the grounds of their racial pride is a bit foolish. This is as a result of colonial mentality. The mentality of being racially stratified from what was consider the norm of that time. Now. The difference between white pride and black pride is that white people suffered little to none as a result of the applied social stratification that is racism. In fact, they benefited. Hence the term white privelige and the like, but that tends to get messy and whatnot, so I'll cut it short for there. Black pride is to celebrate the accomplishments of the black community throughout the decades. It is desireable for them as it celebrates their victory over an oppressive sysetm that brings out the worst in human behaviour and nature.

In the end all, racism as the social construct really benefits those that created in the first place. Hence why white pride is inherently redundant and racist. Hence why reverse racism is bullshit. Hence why black pride and Asian pride is justifiable, as they commemorate the steady deestablishment of a system that solely benefits one 'race'

In the end, racism exists by default. The social construct created by the 'mighty whitey' if you may, is the building to be destroyed.

Pretty much this.

In other words you intend to solve the issue of the displaced value of race with...a displaced value on your own race.

Bully. What could possibly go wrong?

[Draica]

Does it make me bigoted/racist that I barely have any friends of my own race?

No. In fact, none would be even concerned with such. Unless your relative have a problem, but other than that, no. It does not make you a bigot. So cheer up, don't dwell on it, because white guilt I find is more annoying than white pride itself. Assuming you are white, that is.

I'm black.

[MERIZoC]

Does it make me bigoted/racist that I barely have any friends of my own race?

No. In fact, none would be even concerned with such. Unless your relative have a problem, but other than that, no. It does not make you a bigot. So cheer up, don't dwell on it, because white guilt I find is more annoying than white pride itself. Assuming you are white, that is.

Its been established that he's black...

[Senyosu]

Pretty much this.

In other words you intend to solve the displaced value of race with...the displaced value of race.

Bully. What could possibly go wrong?

Pfft. Well, racism is something that cannot be eliminated. It is just the tool of it. The behaviour itself? Why bother. Too much effort. Might as well remove the tools that allow that behaviour to fornicate in all of it's horrid...ness.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Pretty much this.

In other words you intend to solve the displaced value of race with...the displaced value of race.

Bully. What could possibly go wrong?

The definition of racism and the solution to racism are not inherently one and the same. So I differ a bit from that.

I believe that with proper education most things can be solved. However, as long as ignorance is prevalent, so will be racism and other forms of bigotry. And not everyone cares or bothers about being educated so it's not something as simple as "let's solve it!" since it's an ideology, and ideologies are much much harder to let go of than actions.