Black People Are Racist Too!

[Vettrera]

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

White people have never called you gay?
I've never abused media sensitivity given to me....then again, nothing I do and nothing those kids did was newsworthy anyway.

[Ieperithem]

You sure like creating topics about race.

Topix is that way <-------------------

IMO black pride has different connotations than white pride, to put it simply.

Connotations do not matter. Science matters. 'Race' is meaningless, and it is stupid to be proud of some meaningless color that you happened to have on your skin when you were born. "White pride", "Black pride", all equally tribalistic and discredited.

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Wow, that was one of the most racist things I've ever heard on this site.

Sorry If i'm a bit biased against being sappy, if the Blacks were SO far behind in Technology then the Europeans, its a cold hard fact they werent as ''good'' as said Europeans, there's no other explanation.

Read my sig, i say it like i see the facts.

Geography is the factor. Geography is why China is centralized, it's a large part of why America is federalist, it's the reason the middle east is so conflicted, and it's the reason why Europe's so left wing. Read a book, would you?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not really. Europeans just got introduced to more ideas from Asia and the Middle East as well as Northern Africa than people deeper in Africa such as in Central and South Africa.

European people just had an extremely good advantage given their position in the geopolitical grand scheme of things.

And their extreme competitiveness.

That too. I can't recall how far was the European influence by the time Europe was in its infancy (circa 600 AD)

[The Enclave Government]

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

1. There's no t in racial
2. I don't think there's a K in spic
3. They aren't calling you gay because of your race
4. Demonstrate your claims

1. English isnt my first language
2. Same with 2.
3. Really..
4 (Explains 3)

Okay, so Im standing in the line for Pizza. Some African Americans are behind me, and then they walk ahead and when i react, they say ''Got a problem, white ass spic? Bringing Pizza to your Boyfriend?'', they bust out laughing, and I end up needing to wait 10 more minutes (it was a large group)

[Lingang]

Oh god, a race thread. Watch this get locked, or at least I hope it will...

Well with a title like this, I'm surprised it's managed to garner 17 pages. I remember when it was just one post and 6 views, halfway down the page. I thought for sure it'd die there.

*sigh* This is probably just a vent for racist people, and there are some on this thread. What's the point of debating this anyways? We all know that ANYONE can be racist, which further proves my point that this is just a vent thread!

[Draica]

I don't live in the inner-city and I do my damndest to work hard for my education. That's part of the reason why I don't have a social life pretty much outside of the house, I'm working myself to death.

Then I'd imagine you'll be successful. If you manage to break out of the system, or were never in it the first place, you have just as good an opportunity as everyone else.

What system? Innercity schools?

[The Enclave Government]

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

White people have never called you gay?
I've never abused media sensitivity given to me....then again, nothing I do and nothing those kids did was newsworthy anyway.

Actually, no, not a single white person has.

[Northern Oomphalis]

Just honestly curious if anyone else has thought about this, and realized how bad it is.
A black man can say "Black Power!" or "Black Pride!" and get support.
I as a white man could say "White Pride!" and be considered a racist.

BlackPeopleMeet.com isn't racist, although if I were to make a WhitePeopleMeet.com, I can almost guarantee that a LOT of African Americans would petition to get the website taken down.

BET. Black Entertainment Channel. If anyone were to try to make a White Entertainment Channel, the FCC wouldn't allow it. It would be considered Racist and Offensive.
Anyone else notice this major problem?

Yes, But..in light of enslavement, segregation and European-Americans mobbing African-Americans, hanging them and cutting pieces of their body off for souvenirs, I think you should be patient. After all, African-Americans fought a long time not to be slaves and not to have to live by the offensively racist laws that stood in the 1960"s. But then, if your willing to be a slave and be hung by the neck and have your ears ripped off your body and used for souvenirs I would certainly support you. Are you so willing?
If so, step forward. If not, my advice is to remain silent. Thank you, Sir.

[MERIZoC]

1. There's no t in racial
2. I don't think there's a K in spic
3. They aren't calling you gay because of your race
4. Demonstrate your claims

1. English isnt my first language
2. Same with 2.
3. Really..
4 (Explains 3)

Okay, so Im standing in the line for Pizza. Some African Americans are behind me, and then they walk ahead and when i react, they say ''Got a problem, white ass spic? Bringing Pizza to your Boyfriend?'', they bust out laughing, and I end up needing to wait 10 more minutes (it was a large group)

And so this traumatic pizza parlor incident has led you to have a troubled adolescence, cumulating in your hatred and disdain for black people. Gotcha.

[Vettrera]

1. There's no t in racial
2. I don't think there's a K in spic
3. They aren't calling you gay because of your race
4. Demonstrate your claims

1. English isnt my first language
2. Same with 2.
3. Really..
4 (Explains 3)

Okay, so Im standing in the line for Pizza. Some African Americans are behind me, and then they walk ahead and when i react, they say ''Got a problem, white ass spic? Bringing Pizza to your Boyfriend?'', they bust out laughing, and I end up needing to wait 10 more minutes (it was a large group)

Last time I checked, people calling you gay cause you're white isn't really a thing.

[The Enclave Government]

1. English isnt my first language
2. Same with 2.
3. Really..
4 (Explains 3)

Okay, so Im standing in the line for Pizza. Some African Americans are behind me, and then they walk ahead and when i react, they say ''Got a problem, white ass spic? Bringing Pizza to your Boyfriend?'', they bust out laughing, and I end up needing to wait 10 more minutes (it was a large group)

And so this traumatic pizza parlor incident has led you to have a troubled adolescence, cumulating in your hatred and disdain for black people. Gotcha.

Just a example of a daily instance.

[Aurora Novus]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... ish/racism

Can we stop with the "X = prejudice + power so group Y can't be X" nonsense please? Let's be honest: the thought process is not "Well, if we define racism as such and such black people can't be racist," it's "Gee, if we define racism as such and such my views on white people are racist. I'd better try to redefine racism in such a way that my bigotry is excluded. While I'm at it, I might as well make the definition automatically include all white people."
These kinds of position are about as logically sound as a KKK member claiming "I'm not racist because black people aren't human and racism by definition only applies to prejudice against other humans."

I've also noticed that these theories always seem to break the world into monolithic "oppressors" and "victims," and don't really address more complex situations. For example, what would you call black people being racially prejudiced against Native Americans, or vice versa? As far as I know, neither group has a particular power advantage over the other. For that matter, what about conflicts between different "white" ethnicities, e.g. in Bosnia? Who are the racists there?

Thank you.

Even if you define racism to only include cases where the person has enough power for their prejudice to harm others, black people can still be racist. Just because black people as a group control a smaller part of society does not mean that a black person can't be in a position of power within a specific situation. What if a black manager is discriminating against white employees who work under them? Is that manager not in a position of power?

I agree with you that the definition BPRM is using is an artificial invention created with a political agenda. It's not the commonly understood definition that most people use in day to day conversation, and as such it has little relevance to anything outside academia. People who claim that prejudice accompanied by power is the only correct definition of racism are kind of like those people who claim that prejudice against Jews is not antisemitism because Jews are not the only Semitic people, or that opposing gay rights is not homophobic because they don't have a panic attack every time they see a gay person. It's a cheap trick to distract people by arguing over vocabulary instead of addressing the issue at hand.

Fuck me thank you. The thing that pisses me off more than anything in arguments are petty, and painfully obvious wordgames to try and weasel one's way out of an issue. It's so dishonest.

[Saiwania]

"African sounding names"? You mean like Neaquan, Waysia, Cashe, etc? Those aren't "African sounding names". Those are names made up by parents who want a unique sounding name. In fact, I have a black friend who is literally named 'Unique'.

Going for a unique name is stupid and I won't hesitate in saying so, what does that accomplish? That is only to your child's detriment when the vast majority of cultures demand at least some level of conformity. You can be different but not completely outlandish. If my parents gave me a stupid name, I'd have to go out of my way to pay money to have my first name legally changed to something more respectable.

[MERIZoC]

Then I'd imagine you'll be successful. If you manage to break out of the system, or were never in it the first place, you have just as good an opportunity as everyone else.

What system? Innercity schools?

The one that I previously described.

Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats.

[Neutraligon]

I never really thought that the color of my skin would effect me. I knew that in some way being a child to a single mother would indeed effect me, but my skin color? No. I haven't been very sheltered, either. I just haven't interracted with a bunch of racist people.

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

There's more to it then just that. Many African Americans live in high crime areas (yay redlining). When going home at night means you or a family member might get shot, things like school kinda become less important. This stacks the deck. Then there is the lovely fact that once someone is placed in a certain level at school, their place coming out of school is pretty much predetermined. I'll use myself as an example. When I was in fourth grade we were divided up into separate classes for math (arithmetic). There were four different sections, each supposedly at a certain ability level. The thing was the divide even then was obvious, most of the African American and Hispanic students were placed in the lower level classes. I was placed on the second lowest level and was essentially the token white student in that level. It is also no coincidence that my family was poorer then most of the white students in that school. Luckily thanks to my parents making a giant fuss and my taking a test and showing I was better then most of those in the highest level, I was moved up a level. Here's the thing, you could pretty much figure out where those students placed in a particular level would come out at the end of high school. Those in the lowest levels pretty much graduated high school (if they graduated) coming out in math without even pre-calc. Those in the higher level classes came out with at least calc.

Essentially what happens is early issues in schooling determined what happens later on, and those earl issues are things the child might have no control over.

[Vettrera]

White people have never called you gay?
I've never abused media sensitivity given to me....then again, nothing I do and nothing those kids did was newsworthy anyway.

Actually, no, not a single white person has.

So do you now prefer white people to black people, and generalize, or do you not care?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

White people have never called you gay?
I've never abused media sensitivity given to me....then again, nothing I do and nothing those kids did was newsworthy anyway.

For me EVERYONE confuses me as being homosexual.

I don't particularly give that much of a shit either.

[Vettrera]

"African sounding names"? You mean like Neaquan, Waysia, Cashe, etc? Those aren't "African sounding names". Those are names made up by parents who want a unique sounding name. In fact, I have a black friend who is literally named 'Unique'.

Going for a unique name is stupid and I won't hesitate in saying so, what does that accomplish? That is only to your child's detriment when the vast majority of cultures demand at least some level of conformity. You can be different but not completely outlandish. If my parents gave me a stupid name, I'd have to go out of my way to pay money to have my first name legally changed to something more respectable.

Still planning on moving to Switzerland?

[Des-Bal]

1. English isnt my first language
2. Same with 2.
3. Really..
4 (Explains 3)

Okay, so Im standing in the line for Pizza. Some African Americans are behind me, and then they walk ahead and when i react, they say ''Got a problem, white ass spic? Bringing Pizza to your Boyfriend?'', they bust out laughing, and I end up needing to wait 10 more minutes (it was a large group)

What you're describing is people hating you. It may well be your fault. It's also entirely possible those people just suck. My current theory is that your classmates who dislike you happen to be black and it's making you a little angsty.

[Guadalupador]

And so this traumatic pizza parlor incident has led you to have a troubled adolescence, cumulating in your hatred and disdain for black people. Gotcha.

Just a example of a daily instance.

So you're going to judge an entire race of people on a certain group that you have to associate with everyday? Wonderful

[The Enclave Government]

Actually, no, not a single white person has.

So do you now prefer white people to black people, and generalize, or do you not care?

Yes, I do. Most of the White People I meet are very accepting, stark contrast to the Blacks i meet.

[Lingang]

"African sounding names"? You mean like Neaquan, Waysia, Cashe, etc? Those aren't "African sounding names". Those are names made up by parents who want a unique sounding name. In fact, I have a black friend who is literally named 'Unique'.

Going for a unique name is stupid and I won't hesitate in saying so, what does that accomplish? That is only to your child's detriment when the vast majority of cultures demand at least some level of conformity. You can be different but not completely outlandish. If my parents gave me a stupid name, I'd have to go out of my way to pay money to have my first name legally changed to something more respectable.

Why is that stupid? If parents don't want to conform to society, then why shouldn't they?

[Vettrera]

White people have never called you gay?
I've never abused media sensitivity given to me....then again, nothing I do and nothing those kids did was newsworthy anyway.

For me EVERYONE confuses me as being homosexual.

I don't particularly give that much of a shit either.

I've been constantly asked about my sexuality too...don't give two shits either

[Ixzara]

For me EVERYONE confuses me as being homosexual.

I don't particularly give that much of a shit either.

I've been constantly asked about my sexuality too...don't give two shits either

I've found that after coming out of the closet, people are much less willing to use the word "Gay" as an insult.

[Aurora Novus]

So do you now prefer white people to black people, and generalize, or do you not care?

Yes, I do. Most of the White People I meet are very accepting, stark contrast to the Blacks i meet.

Funny, pretty much every black person I've met has been very friendly and accepting. Whereas there's a least a good portion of whites I've met that are complete bigots and horrendous people I don't want to be around.

It's as if subjective experiences can be widely different.