Black People Are Racist Too!

[Death Metal]

They are claiming that an aspect of racism is having the power to act on said bigotry.

Which is nonsense. Racism is bigotry based on race. That's all racism is. Any other qualifier is a No True Scotsman in one of the most insidious and ingenious ways.

[MERIZoC]

Sorry If i'm a bit biased against being sappy, if the Blacks were SO far behind in Technology then the Europeans, its a cold hard fact they werent as ''good'' as said Europeans, there's no other explanation.

Read my sig, i say it like i see the facts.

Now watch an actual historian address this.

http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/

Thanks for reminding me to read that. Just ordered it from the library!

[Neutraligon]

Sorry If i'm a bit biased against being sappy, if the Blacks were SO far behind in Technology then the Europeans, its a cold hard fact they werent as ''good'' as said Europeans, there's no other explanation.

Read my sig, i say it like i see the facts.

Now watch an actual historian address this.

http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/

I assume that Asians, from whom Europe got much of it's technology, is then far superior to Europeans.

[The Enclave Government]

Sorry If i'm a bit biased against being sappy, if the Blacks were SO far behind in Technology then the Europeans, its a cold hard fact they werent as ''good'' as said Europeans, there's no other explanation.

European dominance of the globe has largely been a product of fortune more than anything. Whites weren't "better", they just got lucky.

Europe has and is been resource poor for many years.

Also, the main accepted reason Europeans are very ahead in Technology rather then China is that Europe was in almost a constant state of war... as was Most of Africa.

[Bezombia]

Yeah. And that's why I hate bigotry of all kinds, racial or otherwise.

EDIT- Fortunately my history teachers (neither of which were white), were the exact opposite of the rest of the bunch and in fact were pretty awesome. Thing was, nobody messed with me when I was around them.

History teachers strike again!

But on a more serious note; I just don't see the idea of racism or bigotry as useful. Maybe it's because I never managed to process a rational valid reason for it when I was first exposed to it as a teenager when a teacher (who wasn't white) told me - and this is no joke - that I should go back to Mexico.

I quickly shut her up telling her she doesn't even know me and to stop making bullshit statements about me - yes, I told a teacher that, at 14 years of age, at risk of getting to detention for talking back to a teacher because she was being bigoted.

I'll take "things that totally, definitely happened" for 500 points, Alex.

[Aurora Novus]

European dominance of the globe has largely been a product of fortune more than anything. Whites weren't "better", they just got lucky.

Not entirely. Europeans just became dominant because they were the best at killing people. Remember that the Arabs were advancing the sciences and the arts while Europe was busy languishing in the Middle Ages and the Plague.

And their adeptness at killing people came largely through fortune. Take the European conquests of the Americas for example, where more natives died from disease than anything else.

[Ixzara]

Not entirely. Europeans just became dominant because they were the best at killing people. Remember that the Arabs were advancing the sciences and the arts while Europe was busy languishing in the Middle Ages and the Plague.

And their adeptness at killing people came largely through fortune. Take the European conquests of the Americas for example, where more natives died from disease than anything else.

RIght. I'm not trying to dismiss your argument, rather further include how those pesky Europeans got lucky.

[Aurora Novus]

European dominance of the globe has largely been a product of fortune more than anything. Whites weren't "better", they just got lucky.

Europe has and is been resource poor for many years.

...Even if that were the case, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm speaking about European in a racial sense, not a national sense. European is to white as African is to black.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Wow, that was one of the most racist things I've ever heard on this site.

Sorry If i'm a bit biased against being sappy, if the Blacks were SO far behind in Technology then the Europeans, its a cold hard fact they werent as ''good'' as said Europeans, there's no other explanation.

Read my sig, i say it like i see the facts.

Not really. Europeans just got introduced to more ideas from Asia and the Middle East as well as Northern Africa than people deeper in Africa such as in Central and South Africa.

European people just had an extremely good advantage given their position in the geopolitical grand scheme of things.

[Neutraligon]

And their adeptness at killing people came largely through fortune. Take the European conquests of the Americas for example, where more natives died from disease than anything else.

RIght. I'm not trying to dismiss your argument, rather further include how those pesky Europeans got lucky.

It helped that so many countries were not land locked.

[Vettrera]

Agreed it seems that no one wants to admit that blacks can be racist just because they were discriminated against.i guess if a black mid lynches a white person it's okay because the blacks were getting even huh?

Black are discriminated under the legal code more than most races if we're gonna be legit, and use logical arguments.

[MERIZoC]

Well, yes, that is likely (though not a given) African-Americans are generally poorer than caucasians, and as such, generally do not receive the same opportunities as whites. If you're African-American, how do you not know these things?

I never really thought that the color of my skin would effect me. I knew that in some way being a child to a single mother would indeed effect me, but my skin color? No. I haven't been very sheltered, either. I just haven't interracted with a bunch of racist people.

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

[Viritica]

It's a predominantly Japanese country. What do you expect, exactly? Not many black people live there anyway.

As for America, I'm sure there are. Though I haven't really noticed any lasting affects from the age of segregation.

No lasting effects? People with "African sounding names" get chosen for gobs less often then people with names lie bob or jill. African Americans are still more likely to be charged with a crime, sentenced to a crime, and get harsher sentences for a crime. African Americans are still more likely to live in less well off areas, and are still more likely to go to poorer schools then their white counter parts.

"African sounding names"? You mean like Neaquan, Waysia, Cashe, etc? Those aren't "African sounding names". Those are names made up by parents who want a unique sounding name. In fact, I have a black friend who is literally named 'Unique'.

African Americans are thrown in jail more because they commit more crime. The difference between white youths and black youths in terms of crime is astounding. Places like Trenton and southern Philadelphia are filled to the brim with African Americans and they are also filled to the brim with murder and rape.

I'd also like proof that they're more likely to live in less well off areas.

[Lingang]

Oh god, a race thread. Watch this get locked, or at least I hope it will...

[Ixzara]

RIght. I'm not trying to dismiss your argument, rather further include how those pesky Europeans got lucky.

It helped that so many countries were not land locked.

I don't think it would have stopped them. The Incas were conquered and they almost exclusively kept to the mountains.

[The Enclave Government]

I never really thought that the color of my skin would effect me. I knew that in some way being a child to a single mother would indeed effect me, but my skin color? No. I haven't been very sheltered, either. I just haven't interracted with a bunch of racist people.

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'll take "things that totally, definitely happened" for 500 points, Alex.

I was a rebellious child so I did it

My dad later on reprimanded me and told me not to do it again since he didn't want to be called because I was stirring up shit at school.

[Ixzara]

Sorry If i'm a bit biased against being sappy, if the Blacks were SO far behind in Technology then the Europeans, its a cold hard fact they werent as ''good'' as said Europeans, there's no other explanation.

Read my sig, i say it like i see the facts.

Not really. Europeans just got introduced to more ideas from Asia and the Middle East as well as Northern Africa than people deeper in Africa such as in Central and South Africa.

European people just had an extremely good advantage given their position in the geopolitical grand scheme of things.

And their extreme competitiveness.

[Draica]

I never really thought that the color of my skin would effect me. I knew that in some way being a child to a single mother would indeed effect me, but my skin color? No. I haven't been very sheltered, either. I just haven't interracted with a bunch of racist people.

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

I don't live in the inner-city and I do my damndest to work hard for my education. That's part of the reason why I don't have a social life pretty much outside of the house, I'm working myself to death.

[Aurora Novus]

Oh god, a race thread. Watch this get locked, or at least I hope it will...

Well with a title like this, I'm surprised it's managed to garner 17 pages. I remember when it was just one post and 6 views, halfway down the page. I thought for sure it'd die there.

[MERIZoC]

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

Gay isn't a racial slur. Also, if you talk to them the same way you've been talking to us, I'd imagine they would call you names.

[Des-Bal]

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

1. There's no t in racial
2. I don't think there's a K in spic
3. They aren't calling you gay because of your race
4. Demonstrate your claims

[Guadalupador]

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

In my current school (Charter) its almost 60% black. I'm quite often called ratial slurs (spick,gay,etc etc). Blacks abuse the media sensitivity given to them.

Do you constantly state your views in front of your peers? Perhaps that might be the reason that you're being called those things...

[MERIZoC]

Well, its not so simple as racist people. I'm white, but I grew up in the city, and went to a public school where 1/2 the kids were black. It's not that people discriminated against them because of their skin color, it's that the system was already stacked against them. Many of them grew up in poverty, and unfortunately, their parents didn't teach them the importance of education, so a lot of them didn't try hard in school, and ended up dropping out. Then since they didn't get a full education, they in turn become poor, and the cycle repeats. It's a stupid and vicious system that needs to be fixed.

I don't live in the inner-city and I do my damndest to work hard for my education. That's part of the reason why I don't have a social life pretty much outside of the house, I'm working myself to death.

Then I'd imagine you'll be successful. If you manage to break out of the system, or were never in it the first place, you have just as good an opportunity as everyone else.

[Nazi Flower Power]

According to most prominent critical racism theories a bunch of fifteen-year-olds on Tumblr, black people are incapable of being racists because there is no structural racism to back it up. If racism is defined as discrimination + structural power to enact that discrimination, then black people cannot be racists because they have no power. White people, however, can be racists because they receive white privilege whether they want to or not. In fact all white people (and I'm white) are racists because they receive white privilege. White people can be anti-racists, but they will always be racists as long as the structures that provide white privilege are in place.

This is not to say black people cannot be bigots. They just can't be racists.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... ish/racism

Can we stop with the "X = prejudice + power so group Y can't be X" nonsense please? Let's be honest: the thought process is not "Well, if we define racism as such and such black people can't be racist," it's "Gee, if we define racism as such and such my views on white people are racist. I'd better try to redefine racism in such a way that my bigotry is excluded. While I'm at it, I might as well make the definition automatically include all white people."
These kinds of position are about as logically sound as a KKK member claiming "I'm not racist because black people aren't human and racism by definition only applies to prejudice against other humans."

I've also noticed that these theories always seem to break the world into monolithic "oppressors" and "victims," and don't really address more complex situations. For example, what would you call black people being racially prejudiced against Native Americans, or vice versa? As far as I know, neither group has a particular power advantage over the other. For that matter, what about conflicts between different "white" ethnicities, e.g. in Bosnia? Who are the racists there?

Thank you.

Even if you define racism to only include cases where the person has enough power for their prejudice to harm others, black people can still be racist. Just because black people as a group control a smaller part of society does not mean that a black person can't be in a position of power within a specific situation. What if a black manager is discriminating against white employees who work under them? Is that manager not in a position of power?

I agree with you that the definition BPRM is using is an artificial invention created with a political agenda. It's not the commonly understood definition that most people use in day to day conversation, and as such it has little relevance to anything outside academia. People who claim that prejudice accompanied by power is the only correct definition of racism are kind of like those people who claim that prejudice against Jews is not antisemitism because Jews are not the only Semitic people, or that opposing gay rights is not homophobic because they don't have a panic attack every time they see a gay person. It's a cheap trick to distract people by arguing over vocabulary instead of addressing the issue at hand.