Black People Are Racist Too!

[Mavorpen]

Your thoughts are irrelevant to reality and what the actual definition of white is according the the US Census.

Well tell me, why should the US Census definition of what White is be infallible? If those that are "White" do not have light enough skin then objectively speaking, they're not White.

So then my African American cousin is white.

Got it.

[Totally Not Leningrad Union]

racial pride =/= racism. The world needs to learn that.

I agree. I'm proud to be who I am, but I do not think lower of other races and everyone deserves equal treatment.

[Aurora Novus]

Why should we even care about race though? Why highlight the difference, by trying to prop up and praise a group that experienced historic disadvantages?

After 400+ years of oppression and marginalization based on race that still resonates to this day, you want to turn around to the victims of that and go, "Why you gotta bring up race?"

Yes. If we're truly concerned with ending racism, the solution is to downplay the importance of race in all areas. When you do have things like black pride and such, you then get people like the topic creator, who then try and start crying out about black racism, which encourages racism on the part of other races.

Racism is caused by a displaced value on race. Destroy the value of race, you destroy racism.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The principal of the school. Who was Hispanic.

And it wasn't just one time, either. It was a regular occurrence. For years. Not once did teachers stop it, or anyone else. Sometimes I was the one blamed for it by the teachers.

Then those teachers and the principle needed to be brought up on charges. The principle for assault and endangering the life and welfare of a minor (among others), and the teachers for ignoring those actions.

Exactly. What they did was not only immoral, it was in flagrant violation of both the law and of professional ethics.

[Benuty]

Your thoughts are irrelevant to reality and what the actual definition of white is according the the US Census.

Well tell me, why should the US Census definition of what White is be infallible? If those that are "White" do not have light enough skin then objectively speaking, they're not White.

Given that white has no realistic definition it is impossible to know.

[Cannot think of a name]

Statistically disadvantaged does not exactly mean universally condemned.

But I don't want to be statistically disadvantaged because of how I look! Atleast judge me off of my skills, not my looks.

There was a notable cat who insisted that people should be judged by who they are (their content) and not their looks (their color). Of course, someone shot him for his efforts, but he did make a considerable amount of progress.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

After 400+ years of oppression and marginalization based on race that still resonates to this day, you want to turn around to the victims of that and go, "Why you gotta bring up race?"

Yes. If we're truly concerned with ending racism, the solution is to downplay the importance of race in all areas. When you do have things like black pride and such, you then get people like the topic creator, who then try and start crying out about black racism, which encourages racism on the part of other races.

Racism is caused by a displaced value on race. Destroy the value of race, you destroy racism.

Black Pride didn't create the topic creator.

People like the topic creator caused Black Pride.

[MERIZoC]

Statistically disadvantaged does not exactly mean universally condemned.

But I don't want to be statistically disadvantaged because of how I look! At least judge me off of my skills, not my looks.

Very few people in the thread (if any) are saying that this is right, but that it is. It's a bullshit feature of our society, but it exists nonetheless.

[Death Metal]

The principal of the school. Who was Hispanic.

And it wasn't just one time, either. It was a regular occurrence. For years. Not once did teachers stop it, or anyone else. Sometimes I was the one blamed for it by the teachers.

Then those teachers and the principle needed to be brought up on charges. The principle for assault and endangering the life and welfare of a minor (among others), and the teachers for ignoring those actions.

That of course never happened, because they never bothered to write up any reports.

We had cameras at one point, but that was only to track who was out of class without permission, because that was totally more important. And never be caught walking faster than one step a second, or you're going to detention.

[MERIZoC]

Yes. If we're truly concerned with ending racism, the solution is to downplay the importance of race in all areas. When you do have things like black pride and such, you then get people like the topic creator, who then try and start crying out about black racism, which encourages racism on the part of other races.

Racism is caused by a displaced value on race. Destroy the value of race, you destroy racism.

Black Pride didn't create the topic creator.

People like the topic creator caused Black Pride.

This. This is beautiful. *wipes tear from eye*

[Cannot think of a name]

After 400+ years of oppression and marginalization based on race that still resonates to this day, you want to turn around to the victims of that and go, "Why you gotta bring up race?"

Yes. If we're truly concerned with ending racism, the solution is to downplay the importance of race in all areas. When you do have things like black pride and such, you then get people like the topic creator, who then try and start crying out about black racism, which encourages racism on the part of other races.

Racism is caused by a displaced value on race. Destroy the value of race, you destroy racism.

That's remarkably tone deaf.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I believe that you may have been beaten up for being white. It's far more rare than people tend to believe, but it happens.

I would, however, like to know exactly who told you that you made it up.

Me to.

No one here has said that minorities cannot commit race crimes. What they have said is that racism implies a certain level of power, thus calling those who are not in power racist makes little sense. They can still be bigots.

Nazis are not racist because we are not in power. Cool beans.

[Cenetra]

According to most prominent critical racism theories a bunch of fifteen-year-olds on Tumblr, black people are incapable of being racists because there is no structural racism to back it up. If racism is defined as discrimination + structural power to enact that discrimination, then black people cannot be racists because they have no power. White people, however, can be racists because they receive white privilege whether they want to or not. In fact all white people (and I'm white) are racists because they receive white privilege. White people can be anti-racists, but they will always be racists as long as the structures that provide white privilege are in place.

This is not to say black people cannot be bigots. They just can't be racists.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... ish/racism

Can we stop with the "X = prejudice + power so group Y can't be X" nonsense please? Let's be honest: the thought process is not "Well, if we define racism as such and such black people can't be racist," it's "Gee, if we define racism as such and such my views on white people are racist. I'd better try to redefine racism in such a way that my bigotry is excluded. While I'm at it, I might as well make the definition automatically include all white people."
These kinds of position are about as logically sound as a KKK member claiming "I'm not racist because black people aren't human and racism by definition only applies to prejudice against other humans."

I've also noticed that these theories always seem to break the world into monolithic "oppressors" and "victims," and don't really address more complex situations. For example, what would you call black people being racially prejudiced against Native Americans, or vice versa? As far as I know, neither group has a particular power advantage over the other. For that matter, what about conflicts between different "white" ethnicities, e.g. in Bosnia? Who are the racists there?

[Draica]

But I don't want to be statistically disadvantaged because of how I look! At least judge me off of my skills, not my looks.

Very few people in the thread (if any) are saying that this is right, but that it is. It's a bullshit feature of our society, but it exists nonetheless.

Wait, so this goes beyond single parentship? Even if I had a father a white kid would still be more fortunate than me in certain aeras?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Then those teachers and the principle needed to be brought up on charges. The principle for assault and endangering the life and welfare of a minor (among others), and the teachers for ignoring those actions.

Exactly. What they did was not only immoral, it was in flagrant violation of both the law and of professional ethics.

If in fact he was beaten up constantly for just being white and ONLY for being white and the teachers neglected his case then yes, this is against the law and professional ethics. Teachers and principals need to be the student's adult advocates while at school.

I would not have pressed charges. Would a child of mine tell me that they got beat up at school simply because they are of Hispanic heritage and that no teacher stepped in, I'd chew not only the teacher but the principal out.

[Indira]

Of course you can find racist blackpeople. What's your point OP?

[Neutraligon]

Me to.

No one here has said that minorities cannot commit race crimes. What they have said is that racism implies a certain level of power, thus calling those who are not in power racist makes little sense. They can still be bigots.

Nazis are not racist because we are not in power. Cool beans.

By the definition people were explaining, no they are not (they were when in Germany during the 1940s). They are however bigots.

[Saiwania]

Given that white has no realistic definition it is impossible to know.

Of course it does, have you seen pictures of the traditional ethnic groups originating from Europe? That is White!

[Aurora Novus]

Yes. If we're truly concerned with ending racism, the solution is to downplay the importance of race in all areas. When you do have things like black pride and such, you then get people like the topic creator, who then try and start crying out about black racism, which encourages racism on the part of other races.

Racism is caused by a displaced value on race. Destroy the value of race, you destroy racism.

Black Pride didn't create the topic creator.

People like the topic creator caused Black Pride.

It's a mutual relationship. Racists encourage other races to create their own race-specific movements, which in turn also encourages other races to want race-specific movements. Racism begets racism. This is what happens when you have a displaced value on race.

People like the topic creator, younger generations who are born after the civil rights era, they don't become racists because they were born that way. And paternal influence only stretches so far. No, the world around them mixes with these influences to make them the way they are. When you've got a world that still plays up the value of race, it becomes a lot easier to become a racist. If the world instead sought to downplay the importance of race in all areas, you wouldn't have this issue. Whites wouldn't be able to sit and whine about how they're being victimized by the evil oncoming blacks, because literally nobody would be able to take them seriously, bar the most deranged and detatched individuals.

You destroy the value of race, you destroy the core of racism. when you still have movements going around, praising the value of particular races, even for benevolent reasons, it only feeds the beast. At best it might be an equilizer. It doesn't slay it.

[Death Metal]

Exactly. What they did was not only immoral, it was in flagrant violation of both the law and of professional ethics.

If in fact he was beaten up constantly for just being white and ONLY for being white and the teachers neglected his case then yes, this is against the law and professional ethics. Teachers and principals need to be the student's adult advocates while at school.

I would not have pressed charges. Would a child of mine tell me that they got beat up at school simply because they are of Hispanic heritage and that no teacher stepped in, I'd chew not only the teacher but the principal out.

Oh, my parents did get involved.

But the faculty would blanket deny having heard of it, then would promise to "take care of it" (spoiler: they didn't).

[Neutraligon]

Very few people in the thread (if any) are saying that this is right, but that it is. It's a bullshit feature of our society, but it exists nonetheless.

Wait, so this goes beyond single parentship? Even if I had a father a white kid would still be more fortunate than me in certain aeras?

Yes. Having both parents is helpful (as studies show children of two parent households tend to do better), but that does not change the fact that how you look, the color of your skin will affect how you are treated.

[Des-Bal]

Yeah it's because "black power" is something most commonly associated with fighting for social equality and "white power" is most commonly associated with oppressing/expelling non-whites.

[Ixzara]

Your thoughts are irrelevant to reality and what the actual definition of white is according the the US Census.

Well tell me, why should the US Census definition of what White is be infallible? If those that are "White" do not have light enough skin then objectively speaking, they're not White.

The US Census is the final authority on the matter in the US. If you don't agree with them, then tough shit.

[Benuty]

Given that white has no realistic definition it is impossible to know.

Of course it does, have you seen pictures of the traditional ethnic groups originating from Europe? That is White!

Oh you mean Europeans?

[MERIZoC]

Of course you can find racist blackpeople. What's your point OP?

The OP is claiming that things that aren't racist actually are. It basically comes down to "boo-hoo, white people are so oppressed."