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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:27 am

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greed and death wrote:The bible they are making the official book is the oldest book housed in the state library.

Blatant lies from greed and death? Surely not!


Representative Carmody was going to make the oldest book in the state library the official book. But at dinner-time with his children in the room, he got a call from the curator of the library informing him of the library's private collection of English Restoration porn, which predates their edition of the KJV by 50 years, and hurriedly agreed to change the bill.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:30 am

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Ifreann wrote:Blatant lies from greed and death? Surely not!


Representative Carmody was going to make the oldest book in the state library the official book. But at dinner-time with his children in the room, he got a call from the curator of the library informing him of the library's private collection of English Restoration porn, which predates their edition of the KJV by 50 years, and hurriedly agreed to change the bill.

A shame, that's some very historically significant porn.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:52 am

It doesn't really bother me. It won't really do anything anyway.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:54 am

Good. The bible should be the law of every state.
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Postby The United Azorean States » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:16 am

Pandeeria wrote:Good. The bible should be the law of every state.

No, it really REALLY shouldn't. Religion is an impotant part of everyday life to people but it shouldn't be a main aspect of government.

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Pandeeria wrote:Good. The bible should be the law of every state.

No, it really REALLY shouldn't. Religion is an impotant part of everyday life to people but it shouldn't be a main aspect of government.


I was being sarcastic. :p
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:29 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:It doesn't really bother me. It won't really do anything anyway.

Why don't you care about the US constitution?
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Postby America Libertaria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:51 am

If this actually happens it should get struck down by the Supreme Court.

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Postby Molsonian Republics » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:57 am

Long live Louisiana. For those of you who oppose this, I'm going to give you the same argument used by pro-gay people. "It doesn't affect you".
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Postby Nervium » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:06 am

Molsonian Republics wrote:Long live Louisiana. For those of you who oppose this, I'm going to give you the same argument used by pro-gay people. "It doesn't affect you".


Well, it kind of does. I mean, it's a State, of the United States of America, a republic founded on secular Enlightenment values, to possibly instate a book of one of the biggest religious movements as State Book.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:07 am

Molsonian Republics wrote:Long live Louisiana. For those of you who oppose this, I'm going to give you the same argument used by pro-gay people. "It doesn't affect you".

Because violations of the US constitution are things no one should care about.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:07 am

Molsonian Republics wrote:Long live Louisiana. For those of you who oppose this, I'm going to give you the same argument used by pro-gay people. "It doesn't affect you".


It affects all the atheists and non-Christians in the state.

It's also against our country's very Constitution.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:09 am

Oh well, this is only a violation of the First Amendment, which is not important anyway.

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Postby Cerillium » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:30 am

The US Constitution, if I recall correctly, is "separation between church and state" meaning that the state can not impose a religion. I don't see this "bible" measure as "imposing" anything nor is the state endorsing anything. It's just a fictional work. Who cares? A book is like a fear - empty unless you empower it. What's there to be afraid of? Why is a book outside of your beliefs so damn scary or imposing? Will this book suddenly cause atheists to convert? Will it make them fall to their knees and worship a god? Why are they so easily offended? It could easily be Origin of the Species and they wouldn't fuss. Darwin's work is equally outdated and science (like society) has advanced since it was compiled. Granted, the bill lists the KJV as the "chosen book" and I feel it falls flat in representing the best edition out there.

I'm Buddhist. I couldn't care less if the "bible" was the state book. My state's bird is the Ruffed Grouse; Nasty thing shits everywhere. Eastern Hemlock is the state tree; Makes a mess everywhere, tears up sidewalks. The only good "state" thing we have is the official Chocolate Chip Cookie.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:49 am

Cerillium wrote:The US Constitution, if I recall correctly, is "separation between church and state" meaning that the state can not impose a religion. I don't see this "bible" measure as "imposing" anything nor is the state endorsing anything.

You don't see how making a religious book the official state book they're endorsing that particular religion over others?

It could easily be Origin of the Species and they wouldn't fuss.

Is the Origin of Species a religious book? No. So how exactly would separation of church and state apply here?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:51 am

Cerillium wrote:The US Constitution, if I recall correctly, is "separation between church and state" meaning that the state can not impose a religion. I don't see this "bible" measure as "imposing" anything nor is the state endorsing anything. It's just a fictional work. Who cares? A book is like a fear - empty unless you empower it. What's there to be afraid of? Why is a book outside of your beliefs so damn scary or imposing? Will this book suddenly cause atheists to convert? Will it make them fall to their knees and worship a god? Why are they so easily offended? It could easily be Origin of the Species and they wouldn't fuss. Darwin's work is equally outdated and science (like society) has advanced since it was compiled. Granted, the bill lists the KJV as the "chosen book" and I feel it falls flat in representing the best edition out there.

I'm Buddhist. I couldn't care less if the "bible" was the state book. My state's bird is the Ruffed Grouse; Nasty thing shits everywhere. Eastern Hemlock is the state tree; Makes a mess everywhere, tears up sidewalks. The only good "state" thing we have is the official Chocolate Chip Cookie.


Constitution is against making any law or act that respects the establishment of religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Therefore: no.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:37 am

Cerillium wrote:The US Constitution, if I recall correctly, is "separation between church and state" meaning that the state can not impose a religion.

That's not quite what it means. It would be more accurate to say that the federal and state governments cannot favour one religion over another, nor religion over non-religion.
I don't see this "bible" measure as "imposing" anything nor is the state endorsing anything. It's just a fictional work. Who cares?

Anyone who values the secular principles espoused by First Amendment.
A book is like...

What books are like is beside the point. The problem is that it is the Christian holy book, and that by making it their official state book they are violating the supreme law of the US.
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Postby Vicious Debaters » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:04 am

The State Book of Louisiana should be Watchmen. It's just a fantastic graphic novel.

Anyway, making the Bible the state book seems like it scarily blurs the church/state lines and is offensive to non-Christians.

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Postby The Rich Port » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cerillium wrote:The US Constitution, if I recall correctly, is "separation between church and state" meaning that the state can not impose a religion.

That's not quite what it means. It would be more accurate to say that the federal and state governments cannot favour one religion over another, nor religion over non-religion.
I don't see this "bible" measure as "imposing" anything nor is the state endorsing anything. It's just a fictional work. Who cares?

Anyone who values the secular principles espoused by First Amendment.
A book is like...

What books are like is beside the point. The problem is that it is the Christian holy book, and that by making it their official state book they are violating the supreme law of the US.


I think it is also that you don't mix religion and politics.
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Postby Molsonian Republics » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:07 am

No matter what your religion is, the Bible has important lessons to teach about life that can and should be used by everyone. The Bible teaches about forgiveness, loving your neighbor, and honesty, all of which should be valued by everyone.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:09 am

Molsonian Republics wrote:No matter what your religion is, the Bible has important lessons to teach about life that can and should be used by everyone. The Bible teaches about forgiveness, loving your neighbor, and honesty, all of which should be valued by everyone.


The Vedas and Upanishads are far superior and they even take atheistic views of morality, as they consider the possibility that deities may not exist as a possible explanation, plus they have all the shit the Bible barely covers.

Why aren't they any places official book?
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Molsonian Republics wrote:No matter what your religion is, the Bible has important lessons to teach about life that can and should be used by everyone. The Bible teaches about forgiveness, loving your neighbor, and honesty, all of which should be valued by everyone.


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Seriously, every religious book has important lessons to teach people. The Bible isn't alone when it comes to teaching moral lessons. The idea here is that making the Bible the state book is totally discriminatory.

Maybe Where the Wild Things Are should be the State Book. That was always my favorite children's book.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:13 am

Molsonian Republics wrote:No matter what your religion is, the Bible has important lessons to teach about life that can and should be used by everyone. The Bible teaches about forgiveness, loving your neighbor, and honesty, all of which should be valued by everyone.


Also repression, hatred, and homophobia.

The bible shouldn't be respected by the State.

As far as if it should be respected by people, that's a different discussion. I'll happily participate in it, but it's a totally different thread.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:19 am

Pandeeria wrote:Good. The bible should be the law of every state.

And then USA would suddenly mean United Saudi America.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:21 am

The Rich Port wrote:Why aren't they any places official book?

Because they were made by unAryan darkie towelheads, ofc. While the Bible was made by Aryan Jesus!

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