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Should religious organizations be exempt from tax in the US?

Postby The United Brony Armies » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:58 am

Currently any religious organization in the US is exempt from paying taxes. Obviously this costs the US a lot of money*, so should the religious organizations be exempt?

Personally I don't think they should. In my opinion if you exempt a religious organization from paying taxes you are not separating Church and State.

So what say you NS, should the religious organizations be exempt from taxes? And is it not separating Church and State if they are exempt?

I do not know the exact amount I just assume that it would be a lot of money considering how many religious organizations there are in the US
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Postby Juggalo world » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:01 am

How should they be taxed then 100$ per follower ?
Why bother taxing someone churches and the like or more or less just privately funded anyway.
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Postby Chaunceys » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:02 am

No, they shouldn't
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Postby Jumalariik » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:02 am

Of course they should be exempt, many churches (like a lot of Baptist churches) are independent, meaning, that they have to fund themselves. This is extremely difficult to do, especially since there are other costs and since if the community that it serves does not have enough money, they will have no right to religion. This would be going against religious freedom because only big Churches like the Catholic church would be able to exist.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:02 am

No, they should not. I do not see why they should be in the first place, and considering the Vatican is worth around 15 billion, the Catholic Church at least can contribute a bit of taxes.
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Postby Orla » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:02 am

No, I think they should be taxed just as much as anyone else.
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Postby Cuprum » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:03 am

The goverment can't tax your faith organization because the church's money comes from the taxpayers

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Postby The United Brony Armies » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:03 am

Juggalo world wrote:How should they be taxed then 100$ per follower ?
Why bother taxing someone churches and the like or more or less just privately funded anyway.

Well the tax would be on Churches and the like. So whatever money is made by the Church or whatever would be taxed. Not by follower.
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Postby Jumalariik » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:04 am

The United Brony Armies wrote:
Juggalo world wrote:How should they be taxed then 100$ per follower ?
Why bother taxing someone churches and the like or more or less just privately funded anyway.

Well the tax would be on Churches and the like. So whatever money is made by the Church or whatever would be taxed. Not by follower.

Churches are nonprofits and many give to charity, do you want to tax charities too?
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:04 am

Jumalariik wrote:Of course they should be exempt, many churches (like a lot of Baptist churches) are independent, meaning, that they have to fund themselves. This is extremely difficult to do, especially since there are other costs and since if the community that it serves does not have enough money, they will have no right to religion. This would be going against religious freedom because only big Churches like the Catholic church would be able to exist.

Most regular businesses are making money for themselves and they have to pay taxes.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:05 am

No.

Keep the Religious a Religion thing only and keep the Government secular.
Church funding doesn't come from government why should they pay taxes? Mormon churches I note Make money via donations by individuals and organizations. Why should this be taxed?

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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:05 am

I though they did that already.

You know, taxing people.
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Postby Jumalariik » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:05 am

The United Brony Armies wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Of course they should be exempt, many churches (like a lot of Baptist churches) are independent, meaning, that they have to fund themselves. This is extremely difficult to do, especially since there are other costs and since if the community that it serves does not have enough money, they will have no right to religion. This would be going against religious freedom because only big Churches like the Catholic church would be able to exist.

Most regular businesses are making money for themselves and they have to pay taxes.

As I said above, churches do not make profit, they exist only thanks to donations often.
Seeing in you sig that you're anti religion, I don't see why you'd agree with me.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:05 am

The United Brony Armies wrote:Currently any religious organization in the US is exempt from paying taxes. Obviously this costs the US a lot of money*, so should the religious organizations be exempt?

Personally I don't think they should. In my opinion if you exempt a religious organization from paying taxes you are not separating Church and State.

So what say you NS, should the religious organizations be exempt from taxes? And is it not separating Church and State if they are exempt?

I do not know the exact amount I just assume that it would be a lot of money considering how many religious organizations there are in the US

Tax the ones that do not contribute charitably.

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Postby The Kingdom Historia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:06 am

if that church establishment is producing buisness like figures each like the church of scientology then yes

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Postby Eaglleia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:07 am

Yes, most religious organizations aren't profitable enterprises.

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Postby Imperium of the Gliusor Species » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:08 am

Yeah, the religious organizations should be exempt unless the government makes any move to support organizations espousing religious beliefs- that is, it becomes theocratic. In which case, the churches will pay up, or be shut down.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:08 am

Kelinfort wrote:
The United Brony Armies wrote:Currently any religious organization in the US is exempt from paying taxes. Obviously this costs the US a lot of money*, so should the religious organizations be exempt?

Personally I don't think they should. In my opinion if you exempt a religious organization from paying taxes you are not separating Church and State.

So what say you NS, should the religious organizations be exempt from taxes? And is it not separating Church and State if they are exempt?

I do not know the exact amount I just assume that it would be a lot of money considering how many religious organizations there are in the US

Tax the ones that do not contribute charitably.

Or ones that earn a certain amount. That way, the smaller churches can have a chance to establish themselves, but the huge organizations can still contribute to the tax income.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:08 am

Jumalariik wrote:
The United Brony Armies wrote:Well the tax would be on Churches and the like. So whatever money is made by the Church or whatever would be taxed. Not by follower.

Churches are nonprofits and many give to charity, do you want to tax charities too?

If they give to charity, they can claim tax exemptions for charitable donations like you know... every other organisation
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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:08 am

Do we tax charities?

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The Time Alliance wrote:Do we tax charities?

Not public registered charities.

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Postby Jumalariik » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:10 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Churches are nonprofits and many give to charity, do you want to tax charities too?

If they give to charity, they can claim tax exemptions for charitable donations like you know... every other organisation

Almost all churches give to charities of some sort.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:10 am

Given that church tax exemption is the only thing preventing direct lobbying and participation in the political process of churches... it's a good trade.

We should enforce the terms of the deal better, but the deal, in essence, is a good one.
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Postby Valica » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:10 am

Yes. They are not a charity.
Churches are a place where people go to prey to their man-in-the-sky of choice.
They are not, by law, required to put the money into anything other than their own wallets.
Therefore they are not a charity.
And they should be taxed accordingly.
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