Why I think the term "Far Right" should be redefined

[Republic of Coldwater]

The term "Far Right" has been used to describe fascists such as Hitler and Genghis Khan, which bothers me, as it doesn't seem very fitting with the political spectrum

The Far Left are Communists
The Left are Socialists
The Centre-Left are Keynesian
The Centre-Right is composed of NeoConservatives (Welfare State with low taxes and some deregulation)
The Right is Hard-Core Fiscal Conservatism (Little regulations, low taxes, balanced budgets)
And now, we are using Far Right to describe Fascists?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you describing Neo-Liberals there, not Neo-Conservatives?

I am describing people like John McCain, Bush and Lindsey Graham

[Destrovia]

Perhaps Extremely Wrong would be more appropriate.

;~;
Some of us got state mandated feelings too you know.

I don't see the problem, although I would enjoy your explanation.

[MERIZoC]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you describing Neo-Liberals there, not Neo-Conservatives?

I am describing people like John McCain, Bush and Lindsey Graham

Those guys are NeoCons, yes, but you improperly describe it. The term Neo-Conservative describes someone who is somewhat jingoistic in their views.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

[Republic of Coldwater]

I am describing people like John McCain, Bush and Lindsey Graham

Those guys are NeoCons, yes, but you improperly describe it. The term Neo-Conservative describes someone who is somewhat jingoistic in their views.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

Oh well, I screwed my explanation.

[Ostroeuropa]

The key thing is, the far right is when right wing individuals decide to end the debate and just murder left wing forces.
The far left is when left wing individuals decide to end the debate and just murder right wing forces.

[Avenio]

FDR wasn't a liberal. He racially discriminated the Japanese, he controlled speech, and he spied on the mail of the people, yup, a hard-core liberal we got there.

Just what I suspected. "FDR is Just Like Hitler".

The Left-Right Spectrum as far as I observed, largely made from the fiscal views.

Not even close. Go google the history of the terminology.

[Alyakia]

The term "Far Right" has been used to describe fascists such as Hitler and Genghis Khan, which bothers me, as it doesn't seem very fitting with the political spectrum

The Far Left are Communists
The Left are Socialists
The Centre-Left are Keynesian
The Centre-Right is composed of NeoConservatives (Welfare State with low taxes and some deregulation)
The Right is Hard-Core Fiscal Conservatism (Little regulations, low taxes, balanced budgets)
And now, we are using Far Right to describe Fascists?

I honestly don't understand why are we putting Hitler further to the right of the Tea Party and the GOP, when he was a Keynesian, as he nationalized the industries, and used the government's money on welfare and infrastructure, something that is done by the Private Sector in Fiscal Conservatism. As the Right-Left Spectrum mainly deals with fiscal issues based on the definition that most use, the placement of Hitler further to the right of Fiscal Conservatives makes no sense. He should be placed on the Centre-Left, along with FDR and other world leaders during that period for their Keynesianism.

The Far-Right should be the opposite of Communism. Communism is when the idea of private ownership of everything is removed, and handed to everyone equally, or to the government (depends if you are a Statist or Anarchist Communist). The opposite would be Anarcho-Capitalism, when everything is privately owned.

do you know where the terms right-wing and left-wing come from?

you realize, that assuming you're american, your definition differs from most of the world, right?

[The Scientific States]

Someone doesn't understand the meaning of far-right, and the entire political spectrum in general.

[The Scientific States]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you describing Neo-Liberals there, not Neo-Conservatives?

I am describing people like John McCain, Bush and Lindsey Graham

Who aren't centre right, but that's besides the point. You described centre right from an economic point of view, and neoconservatism is not an exclusively right wing idea, and it certainly has nothing to do with economics.

[The Scientific States]

A fun Christian lie.
Of course you do.

Not a Christian, neither a lie, sorry

It's certainly a lie. If you think Nazis were a bunch of nihilistic atheists, you need to read your history.

[MERIZoC]

Not a Christian, neither a lie, sorry

It's certainly a lie. If you think Nazis were a bunch of nihilistic atheists, you need to read your history.

I know that the majority of the Nazis weren't atheist, but didn't they tolerate it?

[Divair2]

The Left-Right Spectrum as far as I observed, largely made from the fiscal views.

Wrong.

[The Scientific States]

Yup, it's official. The US has a centre right party and a Right wing party.

Are you being sarcastic, I can't tell.

The Democrats are largely centre right, and the republicans are right wing. It's pretty obvious.

[The USOT]

It's certainly a lie. If you think Nazis were a bunch of nihilistic atheists, you need to read your history.

I know that the majority of the Nazis weren't atheist, but didn't they tolerate it?

Nope. They were pretty opposed to atheism. They saw it as opposed to the moral order and the kind of thing that the Bolshevik Jews used.

[Alyakia]

The term "Far Right" has been used to describe fascists such as Hitler and Genghis Khan, which bothers me, as it doesn't seem very fitting with the political spectrum

The Far Left are Communists
The Left are Socialists
The Centre-Left are Keynesian
The Centre-Right is composed of NeoConservatives (Welfare State with low taxes and some deregulation)
The Right is Hard-Core Fiscal Conservatism (Little regulations, low taxes, balanced budgets)
And now, we are using Far Right to describe Fascists?

I honestly don't understand why are we putting Hitler further to the right of the Tea Party and the GOP, when he was a Keynesian, as he nationalized the industries, and used the government's money on welfare and infrastructure, something that is done by the Private Sector in Fiscal Conservatism. As the Right-Left Spectrum mainly deals with fiscal issues based on the definition that most use, the placement of Hitler further to the right of Fiscal Conservatives makes no sense. He should be placed on the Centre-Left, along with FDR and other world leaders during that period for their Keynesianism.

The Far-Right should be the opposite of Communism. Communism is when the idea of private ownership of everything is removed, and handed to everyone equally, or to the government (depends if you are a Statist or Anarchist Communist). The opposite would be Anarcho-Capitalism, when everything is privately owned.

the word "privatization" was invented by the economist in the 1930s to describe the policies of nazi germany. german war production was not nationalized until 1942, years after the allies. i hope this helps answer your question.

[The Scientific States]

It's certainly a lie. If you think Nazis were a bunch of nihilistic atheists, you need to read your history.

I know that the majority of the Nazis weren't atheist, but didn't they tolerate it?

Erm...Not Really.

[MERIZoC]

I know that the majority of the Nazis weren't atheist, but didn't they tolerate it?

Erm...Not Really.

Okay. My bad.

[The Scientific States]

Erm...Not Really.

Okay. My bad.

It's fine.

[Barnetii]

The traditional left right spectrum doesn't capture everything, and fascism is one of those confusing ones. I you take a look at this double axis spectrum it makes a bit more sense. Fascism is in the upper right btw.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1svcw5BTgJsPHdhrDfiEGCVzQeD9uaLM15P5SXceYW0g/edit?usp=sharing

[Divair2]

The traditional left right spectrum doesn't capture everything, and fascism is one of those confusing ones. I you take a look at this double axis spectrum it makes a bit more sense. Fascism is in the upper right btw.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1svcw5BTgJsPHdhrDfiEGCVzQeD9uaLM15P5SXceYW0g/edit?usp=sharing

Holy hell that is a crap spectrum.

[The Scientific States]

The traditional left right spectrum doesn't capture everything, and fascism is one of those confusing ones. I you take a look at this double axis spectrum it makes a bit more sense. Fascism is in the upper right btw.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1svcw5BTgJsPHdhrDfiEGCVzQeD9uaLM15P5SXceYW0g/edit?usp=sharing

That chart implies that people can't have maximum social freedoms if there is regulation.

[MERIZoC]

The traditional left right spectrum doesn't capture everything, and fascism is one of those confusing ones. I you take a look at this double axis spectrum it makes a bit more sense. Fascism is in the upper right btw.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1svcw5BTgJsPHdhrDfiEGCVzQeD9uaLM15P5SXceYW0g/edit?usp=sharing

Try this for something a little simpler.
http://politicalcompass.org/analysis2

[Nirya]

It's Far Right because it's ultra-conservative on social issues, not necessarily economic issues.

Some people have tried to claim that Nazism was "leftist" because of the "socialism" in 'national socialism', but this just looks like people on the far-right trying to throw their garbage over the neighbor's fence; they'd point to a few nationalised road-building projects and then apparently ignore all the fascist ultra-conservative policies and actions.

Nazism was syncretic, it combined elements of both. Stop trying to put it on the Left or the Right.

[Dejanic]

For the record, whilst Nazi Germany's economy was highly nationalised and "social democratic", people need to take into account that this was a war time economy, Britains war time economy under the Conservative party was almost completely nationalised, but that doesn't define fiscal Conservative politics, right?

The Nazi economic model was largely based around cooperation between the government and big business, it was corporatism with a slightly more human face (I believe free healthcare was supported).

[SD_Film Artists]

It's Far Right because it's ultra-conservative on social issues, not necessarily economic issues.

Some people have tried to claim that Nazism was "leftist" because of the "socialism" in 'national socialism', but this just looks like people on the far-right trying to throw their garbage over the neighbor's fence; they'd point to a few nationalised road-building projects and then apparently ignore all the fascist ultra-conservative policies and actions.

Nazism was syncretic, it combined elements of both. Stop trying to put it on the Left or the Right.

Any government is syncretic to some degree, but I think it's safe to say that Nazism is on the far-right.