Monarchs are nothing but dictators in velvet cloaks.

[Fassitude]

But dude. Velvet cloak. Velvet cloak

Yeah, we use velvet to make snazzy attire. They use velvet to paint Elvis portraits on.

[Conserative Morality]

Leave the queen alone! She never hurt anyone!
I agree that Absolute Monarchy is little more than Dictatorship, but a Constitutional Monarchy is where it's at. A king or queen can inspire more national pride than a president ever could.

It can also inspire a more servile attitude than a president ever could.

[Dominion of Drakia]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"For every monarchy overthrown the sky becomes less brilliant, because it loses a star. A republic is ugliness set free." -Anatole France

"Under a cruel prince they [the oppressed] have the balmy compassion of mankind to assuage the smart of their wounds; they have the plaudits of the people to animate their generous constancy under their sufferings: but those who are subjected to wrong under multitudes, are deprived of all external consolation. They seem deserted by mankind; overpowered by a conspiracy of their whole species." --Edmund Burke

"Sometime in the coming century, people will rack their brains pondering how nations with tremendous scientific and intellectual achievements could have given uninstructed and untrained men and women the right to vote equally uninstructed and untrained people into responsible positions" --Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

Though I an American, may I say...God Save the Queen! and, also, for those of you who are Bonapartists, Vive l'Empereur!

[Maurepas]

As a Monarchist my view will be rather Biased but i shall state them anyway.

1.) The main problems with Democracy is that nothing gets done quickly, people do not get much power over who leads them anyway. If you don't like the person you have voted in, you simply cannot "out" them. You will have to contact HIS government to arrange another election, then it has to be voted on. Too long in my opinion.
2.) If you look back in history, some Monarchs are cruel to their people i admit. But in most cases the Monarchy lasts longer than a Republic.
3.) Also what is to stop some nutter, after being voted in, decides to declare himself a Dictator? There will be civil peace in a Monarchy.

Meh, Democracy is a necessity, its not the only necessity but it is one...A system of Checks and Balances is whats needed, and looking from this side of the Pond, I can see where a Monarchy would fit into that as a check on the Executive's power...


SCOTUS is often supposed to work towards that end here, but, it fails miserably alot of the time, and even perpetuates it at times (Im looking at you, GWB)...

[Old Tyrannia]

Same here, they are dictators, but for some reason because of there blood they know whats best, it makes no sense! Thats why we have presidents in Verzia, they serve for life, but still, we can impeach them, and the president has little power, its the councils and senate that make up the gov. that have the real power.

Oh, for god's sake, learn the difference between OOC and IC.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

I don't mind living in a constitutional monarchy.
I really can't see the benefits of living in a republic.

[Fassitude]

I really can't see the benefits of living in a republic.

If you're wealthy enough, you can buy the presidency. In fact, that is what is expected. So in that sense, if you are filthy rich, it is a benefit. You can't purchase a royal lineage.

[Dominion of Drakia]

Constitutional monarchies at least bring a face to government and show that at least something, in theory, remains above politics. Republics to me seem to be little more than the province of professional politicians.

[Cawnpore]

A tyrant is a tyrant, whether his title be President or Prince. All systems of Government are open to corruption (albeit to differing extents, case in point the nominally democratically elected General Secretary of the USSR...) and to blame certain events or situations on the type of Government which is in fashion at the time is folly: the system is reflective of the society in which it exists, and so a monarchy or a republic is only as bad/good/special as it's people will allow it to be.

[Pannonia-Glucksberg]

As an Irish Patriot I hate the British Soldiers and Monarchs for their torturous and horrible ways,but love the ways of the royalty,I have a book with the whole royal heritage of Britain and England,Scotland.I love the concept of royalty and would prefer that the dirty Dermot Mac Murrough had not been a dirty little sleeveen and brought the Normans here even though some of my friends are Norman descendants,I would have prefered the Irish Chieftaincy System to be still in place.

[Conserative Morality]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"For every monarchy overthrown the sky becomes less brilliant, because it loses a star. A republic is ugliness set free." -Anatole France

"Under a cruel prince they [the oppressed] have the balmy compassion of mankind to assuage the smart of their wounds; they have the plaudits of the people to animate their generous constancy under their sufferings: but those who are subjected to wrong under multitudes, are deprived of all external consolation. They seem deserted by mankind; overpowered by a conspiracy of their whole species." --Edmund Burke

"Sometime in the coming century, people will rack their brains pondering how nations with tremendous scientific and intellectual achievements could have given uninstructed and untrained men and women the right to vote equally uninstructed and untrained people into responsible positions" --Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

Though I an American, may I say...God Save the Queen! and, also, for those of you who are Bonapartists, Vive l'Empereur!

"A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright." - R. A. Heinlein

"No God and no religion can survive ridicule. No political church, no nobility, no royalty or other fraud, can face ridicule in a fair field, and live." - Mark Twain

[Fassitude]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit."

[Old Tyrannia]

As an Irish Patriot I hate the British Soldiers and Monarchs for their torturous and horrible ways,but love the ways of the royalty,I have a book with the whole royal heritage of Britain and England,Scotland.I love the concept of royalty and would prefer that the dirty Dermot Mac Murrough had not been a dirty little sleeveen and brought the Normans here even though some of my friends are Norman descendants,I would have prefered the Irish Chieftaincy System to be still in place.

On the other hand, one could argue that without the British introducing democracy to Ireland, you'd still be ruled by absolute monarchs, or, in other words, dictators.
As a meritocrat, I should be against the very notion of monarchy. But i'm not, because being a moderate meritocrat and also a proud British nationalist, I think that Great Britain would be a worse place without the monarchy. Yet again, my political views prove to be all over the place.

[Dominion of Drakia]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"For every monarchy overthrown the sky becomes less brilliant, because it loses a star. A republic is ugliness set free." -Anatole France

"Under a cruel prince they [the oppressed] have the balmy compassion of mankind to assuage the smart of their wounds; they have the plaudits of the people to animate their generous constancy under their sufferings: but those who are subjected to wrong under multitudes, are deprived of all external consolation. They seem deserted by mankind; overpowered by a conspiracy of their whole species." --Edmund Burke

"Sometime in the coming century, people will rack their brains pondering how nations with tremendous scientific and intellectual achievements could have given uninstructed and untrained men and women the right to vote equally uninstructed and untrained people into responsible positions" --Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

Though I an American, may I say...God Save the Queen! and, also, for those of you who are Bonapartists, Vive l'Empereur!

"A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright." - R. A. Heinlein

"No God and no religion can survive ridicule. No political church, no nobility, no royalty or other fraud, can face ridicule in a fair field, and live." - Mark Twain

"I would rather obey one lion, than 200 rats of my own species." -Voltaire

"Impartiality and continuity are important aspects of government, and it is doubtful whether any form of democratic government yet discovered provides these to any greater extent than does constitutional monarchy." -Sydney D. Bailey

[Conserative Morality]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit."

"At all events, the next best thing to being witty one's self, is to be able to quote another's wit." -Christopher N. Bovee

"A great man quotes bravely, and will not draw on his invention when his memory serves him with a word just as good." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Pannonia-Glucksberg]

As an Irish Patriot I hate the British Soldiers and Monarchs for their torturous and horrible ways,but love the ways of the royalty,I have a book with the whole royal heritage of Britain and England,Scotland.I love the concept of royalty and would prefer that the dirty Dermot Mac Murrough had not been a dirty little sleeveen and brought the Normans here even though some of my friends are Norman descendants,I would have prefered the Irish Chieftaincy System to be still in place.

On the other hand, one could argue that without the British introducing democracy to Ireland, you'd still be ruled by absolute monarchs, or, in other words, dictators.
As a meritocrat, I should be against the very notion of monarchy. But i'm not, because being a moderate meritocrat and also a proud British nationalist, I think that Great Britain would be a worse place without the monarchy. Yet again, my political views prove to be all over the place.

Ah no The Irish Brehon law was one of the first democratic laws

[Schwabenreich]

Theres two ways I can disagree to the original post.

One as many have pointed out is that monarchs can be ceremonial in which case they have not the authority to be a true dictator.

The second one is a more semantic level. Monarchs have been known to dress in a wide variety of attire, not just the old velvet cloaks but many would dress in military uniforms that were, not of velvet or purple. A monarch is much more then a dictator as they have a fancier title, a long and documented heraldry and their right of claim is often vouched for by some deity.

[Maurepas]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit."

"At all events, the next best thing to being witty one's self, is to be able to quote another's wit." -Christopher N. Bovee

"A great man quotes bravely, and will not draw on his invention when his memory serves him with a word just as good." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Something about quotes..." - Maurepas

[Pannonia-Glucksberg]

Theres two ways I can disagree to the original post.

One as many have pointed out is that monarchs can be ceremonial in which case they have not the authority to be a true dictator.

Nearly all are only about five are absolute

The second one is a more semantic level. Monarchs have been known to dress in a wide variety of attire, not just the old velvet cloaks but many would dress in military uniforms that were, not of velvet or purple. A monarch is much more then a dictator as they have a fancier title, a long and documented heraldry and their right of claim is often vouched for by some deity.

So true

[Old Tyrannia]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit."

"At all events, the next best thing to being witty one's self, is to be able to quote another's wit." -Christopher N. Bovee

"A great man quotes bravely, and will not draw on his invention when his memory serves him with a word just as good." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Something about quotes..." - Maurepas

"Will you lot just shut up?" - Old Tyrannia

[Maurepas]

Some words of wisdom for you all:

"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit."

"At all events, the next best thing to being witty one's self, is to be able to quote another's wit." -Christopher N. Bovee

"A great man quotes bravely, and will not draw on his invention when his memory serves him with a word just as good." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Something about quotes..." - Maurepas

"Will you lot just shut up?" - Old Tyrannia

"Shut up? On NSG? Surely you jest, sir...." - Skallvia

[Schwabenreich]

Theres two ways I can disagree to the original post.

One as many have pointed out is that monarchs can be ceremonial in which case they have not the authority to be a true dictator.

Nearly all are only about five are absolute

The second one is a more semantic level. Monarchs have been known to dress in a wide variety of attire, not just the old velvet cloaks but many would dress in military uniforms that were, not of velvet or purple. A monarch is much more then a dictator as they have a fancier title, a long and documented heraldry and their right of claim is often vouched for by some deity.

So true

I see you added in "Nearly all are only about five are absolute", good point, but the fact that non-absolute monarchies do exist defeats the generalization used as a topic title.

[Conserative Morality]

"I would rather obey one lion, than 200 rats of my own species." -Voltaire

"Impartiality and continuity are important aspects of government, and it is doubtful whether any form of democratic government yet discovered provides these to any greater extent than does constitutional monarchy." -Sydney D. Bailey

“Of the various forms of government which have prevailed in the world, an hereditary monarchy seems to present the fairest scope for ridicule” - Edward Gibbon

[Pannonia-Glucksberg]

Theres two ways I can disagree to the original post.

One as many have pointed out is that monarchs can be ceremonial in which case they have not the authority to be a true dictator.

Nearly all are only about five are absolute

The second one is a more semantic level. Monarchs have been known to dress in a wide variety of attire, not just the old velvet cloaks but many would dress in military uniforms that were, not of velvet or purple. A monarch is much more then a dictator as they have a fancier title, a long and documented heraldry and their right of claim is often vouched for by some deity.

So true

I see you added in "Nearly all are only about five are absolute", good point, but the fact that non-absolute monarchies do exist defeats the generalization used as a topic title.

Right,I shall list the absolute monarchies :Brunei · Saudi Arabia · Swaziland · Vatican City

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

"I would rather obey one lion, than 200 rats of my own species." -Voltaire

"Impartiality and continuity are important aspects of government, and it is doubtful whether any form of democratic government yet discovered provides these to any greater extent than does constitutional monarchy." -Sydney D. Bailey

“Of the various forms of government which have prevailed in the world, an hereditary monarchy seems to present the fairest scope for ridicule” - Edward Gibbon

You can both find quotes from hundreds of historically important and praised figures supporting your opposing positions, and it won't change either of your minds. In this case it's just an excersize of intellectual masturbation and it is only cluttering the thread with nonsense instead of discourse.