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Postby Marcurix » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:17 pm

Multifarity wrote:
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You hold more confidence in newspapers than i do.
They're biased and corrupt and purposefully misleading and self-serving, but they're not stu-... Okay I see your point.


Yea, they're not the best places for objective information, not that this thread is about being objective.

I won't outright dismiss the story, I just need something to back it up so i can be sure this isn't to kick up a fuss.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:20 pm

Torisakia wrote:A better question is: Why are children's parents not monitoring what their child views on the Internet?

I don't blame the Tory gov't for pushing this, but they really have to find the actual reasoning behind this.
There's a magical button labeled "clear history", or better yet magical little devices known as "smartphones". When the kids are often more tech savvy than the parents, it's little wonder how they're able to do something as easy as access a porn site and erase their history.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:23 pm

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Torisakia wrote:A better question is: Why are children's parents not monitoring what their child views on the Internet?

I don't blame the Tory gov't for pushing this, but they really have to find the actual reasoning behind this.
There's a magical button labeled "clear history", or better yet magical little devices known as "smartphones". When the kids are often more tech savvy than the parents, it's little wonder how they're able to do something as easy as access a porn site and erase their history.

This doesn't answer the question of, where is the parental supervision?

Can't take a lot of teaching to have a parent enforce a lock on their internet usage.
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Postby Magna Libero » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:25 pm

Greater-London wrote:How are they abusing their authority? child pornography is a crime. It makes sense for the FBI to take down a page that shows it.

Imperializt Russia wrote:The production, sharing (including transaction) and viewing of child pornography are all illegal under US federal (I assume) law.
4chan is a site hosted in the US, serving primarily US users.

4chan is completely within the FBI's remit to target for child pornography offences.

Alright, so it's just a law. I don't really care, it's just popular among some people and a huge business among the Japanese -- last time I checked.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:25 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:There's a magical button labeled "clear history", or better yet magical little devices known as "smartphones". When the kids are often more tech savvy than the parents, it's little wonder how they're able to do something as easy as access a porn site and erase their history.

This doesn't answer the question of, where is the parental supervision?

Can't take a lot of teaching to have a parent enforce a lock on their internet usage.

A better question would be if parents should be hiding their children from sex in the first place. If they want to discover their sexuality, I say let them.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:25 pm

This is a horrible move by the UK government.
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Postby Marcurix » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:26 pm

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Greater-London wrote:How are they abusing their authority? child pornography is a crime. It makes sense for the FBI to take down a page that shows it.

Imperializt Russia wrote:The production, sharing (including transaction) and viewing of child pornography are all illegal under US federal (I assume) law.
4chan is a site hosted in the US, serving primarily US users.

4chan is completely within the FBI's remit to target for child pornography offences.

Alright, so it's just a law. I don't really care, it's just popular among some people and a huge business among the Japanese -- last time I checked.


Right, meaning it's illegal to partake in such activities or view such content.

Pretty sure there are also laws against it in Japan.
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Postby Zavea » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:28 pm

David Cameron sits alone in a darkened study, revolver with a single bullet in one hand, iPad refreshing porn in the other.
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I'm struggling to see how this represents a threat to our civil liberties.
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Postby Nasall » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:32 pm

Zavea wrote:David Cameron sits alone in a darkened study, revolver with a single bullet in one hand, iPad refreshing porn in the other.

..................................................................... you have just described hell for millions of shut in otakus :meh:

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Postby Draica » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:33 pm

Why do children need porn?
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:35 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm struggling to see how this represents a threat to our civil liberties.
It's just another part of Cameron's crusade against sex. It is removing your control over what you are allowed to say and expanding state control over information and entertainment, a highly dangerous step to be taking. There is no reason for him to be doing this other than to further cultural shame of sex.
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Postby Marcurix » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:36 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm struggling to see how this represents a threat to our civil liberties.
It's just another part of Cameron's crusade against sex. It is removing your control over what you are allowed to say and expanding state control over information and entertainment, a highly dangerous step to be taking. There is no reason for him to be doing this other than to further cultural shame of sex.


Assuming this is actually happening.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:37 pm

Draica wrote:Why do children need porn?
Being able to experiment and find your preferences in a safe and private manner when you first begin developing feelings of sexual attraction can be highly beneficial to you.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:37 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:This doesn't answer the question of, where is the parental supervision?

Can't take a lot of teaching to have a parent enforce a lock on their internet usage.

A better question would be if parents should be hiding their children from sex in the first place. If they want to discover their sexuality, I say let them.

This is what sexual education exists for.

Pornography is not a substitute or even a supplement to either sex ed or "the talk". It is not appropriate educational material, except as explanation of why the media should not always be emulated, and a "do not" list for when your child does have sex.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:38 pm

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Draica wrote:Why do children need porn?
Being able to experiment and find your preferences in a safe and private manner when you first begin developing feelings of sexual attraction can be highly beneficial to you.

That's not what porn does. If that's what it did for you, I guess you're lucky.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:40 pm

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Threlizdun wrote:Being able to experiment and find your preferences in a safe and private manner when you first begin developing feelings of sexual attraction can be highly beneficial to you.

That's not what porn does. If that's what it did for you, I guess you're lucky.

It did that to me...

Mind you, I don't advocate legal tolerance of it without studies to what it actually does in teens' brains and remedies to potential bad side-effects being offered publicly.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:40 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Draica wrote:Why do children need porn?
Being able to experiment and find your preferences in a safe and private manner when you first begin developing feelings of sexual attraction can be highly beneficial to you.


This is exactly how I see it.
This is a highly dangerous move, and will force children into finding other ways to sexually experiment. Probably by having actual sex, which at their age is a bad idea, made worse by poor sex education in schools.

On top of that, it amounts to a government register of people with certain sexual tendencies, sexual tendencies which do not harm other persons. That is some highly suspicious shit.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:42 pm

Draica wrote:Why do children need porn?

The point is that, in their quest to "protect the children", these politicians will be adding unnecessary inconvenience to adults. Actually it's more than that because they want you to input CC information as one of the barriers of entry to minors, raising the risk of theft of that information. The risks far outweigh the reward of keeping kids from seeing porn, if that is a reward at all.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:43 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Draica wrote:Why do children need porn?

The point is that, in their quest to "protect the children", these politicians will be adding unnecessary inconvenience to adults. Actually it's more than that because they want you to input CC information as one of the barriers of entry to minors, raising the risk of theft of that information. The risks far outweigh the reward of keeping kids from seeing porn.


What reward? Forcing kids to have actual sex instead of imaginary sex in order to experiment with their sexuality?

Why does the government want children to have sex with eachother?
(Hopefully this will get asked at PMQ's, but i fucking doubt it.)
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Imperializt Russia wrote:Pornography is not a substitute or even a supplement to either sex ed or "the talk". It is not appropriate educational material, except as explanation of why the media should not always be emulated, and a "do not" list for when your child does have sex.

Are you sure you aren't generalizing? Porn includes plenty of stuff that doesn't even involve actual people performing, much less a limited array of [toxic] cultural contexts and expectations.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The point is that, in their quest to "protect the children", these politicians will be adding unnecessary inconvenience to adults. Actually it's more than that because they want you to input CC information as one of the barriers of entry to minors, raising the risk of theft of that information. The risks far outweigh the reward of keeping kids from seeing porn.


What reward? Forcing kids to have actual sex instead of imaginary sex in order to experiment with their sexuality?

Why does the government want children to have sex with eachother?
(Hopefully this will get asked at PMQ's, but i fucking doubt it.)


well its stupid strawman with no relevance at all to the subject at hand.

So I'm sure it will.
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The UK in Exile wrote:well its stupid strawman with no relevance at all to the subject at hand.

So I'm sure it will.

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Ostroeuropa wrote:
What reward? Forcing kids to have actual sex instead of imaginary sex in order to experiment with their sexuality?

Why does the government want children to have sex with eachother?
(Hopefully this will get asked at PMQ's, but i fucking doubt it.)


well its stupid strawman with no relevance at all to the subject at hand.

So I'm sure it will.


It isn't a strawman. It's the effect of this policy.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:45 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm struggling to see how this represents a threat to our civil liberties.
It's just another part of Cameron's crusade against sex.

I'm sorry, what crusade would that be?
It is removing your control over what you are allowed to say and expanding state control over information and entertainment, a highly dangerous step to be taking.

Introducing safety measures to prevent children from accessing pornography is not the first step towards totalitarianism. Unless you're under eighteen and a porn addict, or an over-eighteen viewer of pornography who wants to remain anonymous for some reason, I don't see what you have to worry about.
There is no reason for him to be doing this other than to further cultural shame of sex.

Preventing children from accessing hardcore pornographic imagery that may warp their understanding of sexual relationships?
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