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Is the Confederate flag racist?

Yes
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No
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Undecided
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Westerheim
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Postby Westerheim » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:41 pm

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Vettrera wrote:I asked you how I'm breaking a rule, you answered none of that.
You're arguing that slavery is a just institution as long as it's legal, so if we assume that you're a slave, and therefore don't have any rights, because you're nothing but property, you should be okay with that. You may think that you're a normal poster here on this site, and you can scream and assert your dominance and argue all you want on here, but in actuality whatever the fuck you say doesn't matter, because you're a slave. Know your place around these parts boy, since you obviously don't have a problem with slavery.

You still haven't managed to grasp ANYTHING I've ever said. Wow, this incredible.

What's incredible is your bald-faced insolence to your masters.
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Postby -The West Coast- » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:42 pm

Westerheim wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You still haven't managed to grasp ANYTHING I've ever said. Wow, this incredible.

What's incredible is your bald-faced insolence to your masters.

And your harassment.
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Postby Westerheim » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:43 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
Westerheim wrote:What's incredible is your bald-faced insolence to your masters.

And your harassment.

You can't harass property, boy.
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Postby Liberaxia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:44 pm

Not at all. I think the Confederacy got exactly what it deserved, but I'm not one tobhold it against the Stars and Bars.
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Postby -The West Coast- » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:44 pm

Westerheim wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:And your harassment.

You can't harass property, boy.

You know damn well my argument was about slaves in the 19th century, chief. Your harassment of me here is dangerously close to breaching site rules. I suggest you cease and desist.
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Postby Vettrera » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:45 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
Vettrera wrote:I asked you how I'm breaking a rule, you answered none of that.
You're arguing that slavery is a just institution as long as it's legal, so if we assume that you're a slave, and therefore don't have any rights, because you're nothing but property, you should be okay with that. You may think that you're a normal poster here on this site, and you can scream and assert your dominance and argue all you want on here, but in actuality whatever the fuck you say doesn't matter, because you're a slave. Know your place around these parts boy, since you obviously don't have a problem with slavery.

You still haven't managed to grasp ANYTHING I've ever said. Wow, this incredible.

Like what.
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Postby Vettrera » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:47 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
Westerheim wrote:You can't harass property, boy.

You know damn well my argument was about slaves in the 19th century, chief. Your harassment of me here is dangerously close to breaching site rules. I suggest you cease and desist.

A) You're a slave, your suggestions don't mean anything,
B) You argued that slavery as an institution was just. We passed our own laws making you a slave against your will, you are now property. If you agreed with your own opinion, you'd be siding with us.

This is a simple argument, even a slave should be able to grasp it.
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Postby Destiny Island » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:48 pm

-The West Coast- wrote:
Westerheim wrote:You can't harass property, boy.

You know damn well my argument was about slaves in the 19th century, chief. Your harassment of me here is dangerously close to breaching site rules. I suggest you cease and desist.

If you seriously think he's harassing you just report it to moderation, don't threaten him with mod action, because that is also breaking the forum rules.
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Postby Westerheim » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:49 pm

Vettrera wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You know damn well my argument was about slaves in the 19th century, chief. Your harassment of me here is dangerously close to breaching site rules. I suggest you cease and desist.

A) You're a slave, your suggestions don't mean anything,
B) You argued that slavery as an institution was just. We passed our own laws making you a slave against your will, you are now property. If you agreed with your own opinion, you'd be siding with us.

This is a simple argument, even a slave should be able to grasp it.

We, as the law, are depriving you from personhood, so to speak. By your own reasoning, you are no longer a person, but property.
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Postby Destiny Island » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:49 pm

Vettrera wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You know damn well my argument was about slaves in the 19th century, chief. Your harassment of me here is dangerously close to breaching site rules. I suggest you cease and desist.

A) You're a slave, your suggestions don't mean anything,
B) You argued that slavery as an institution was just. We passed our own laws making you a slave against your will, you are now property. If you agreed with your own opinion, you'd be siding with us.

This is a simple argument, even a slave should be able to grasp it.

nonononononono. You got it all wrong, he's not a non-person, he's 3/5th of a person, but only for population reasons.
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Postby Vettrera » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:50 pm

Destiny Island wrote:
Vettrera wrote:A) You're a slave, your suggestions don't mean anything,
B) You argued that slavery as an institution was just. We passed our own laws making you a slave against your will, you are now property. If you agreed with your own opinion, you'd be siding with us.

This is a simple argument, even a slave should be able to grasp it.

nonononononono. You got it all wrong, he's not a non-person, he's 3/5th of a person, but only for population reasons.

3/5 of a person, 0/5 of a voice. I'm good with this.
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Postby Santa Lucania » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:50 pm

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Santa Lucania wrote:I don't consider it racist however it is a symbol of rebellion and Treason which is why I do not like it. However this America so wave as much as you want buddy ain't nobody going to stop you.

You're so terribly uneducated about the Confederacy, it's almost mind-blowing.

Please explain to me how I'm uneducated? The flag is the symbol of a nation which wished to succeed from the union unlawfully and help initiate a war which killed over half a million Americans. I don't see how it's not a treasonous symbol. But as I said this is America so if you want to wave then do so I'm not going to stop you.
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Postby Destiny Island » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:52 pm

Vettrera wrote:
Destiny Island wrote:nonononononono. You got it all wrong, he's not a non-person, he's 3/5th of a person, but only for population reasons.

3/5 of a person, 0/5 of a voice. I'm good with this.

You ever wonder what 3/5th of a person would look like?
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Postby Leon de Ortega » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:53 pm

Flag is fine. Worst flag known to man is the one with the hammer and sickle. It's the universal symbol for slavery.

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Postby Westerheim » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:54 pm

Santa Lucania wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You're so terribly uneducated about the Confederacy, it's almost mind-blowing.

Please explain to me how I'm uneducated? The flag is the symbol of a nation which wished to succeed from the union unlawfully and help initiate a war which killed over half a million Americans. I don't see how it's not a treasonous symbol. But as I said this is America so if you want to wave then do so I'm not going to stop you.

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Postby Destiny Island » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:54 pm

Leon de Ortega wrote:Flag is fine. Worst flag known to man is the one with the hammer and sickle. It's the universal symbol for slavery.

Nope, please try again.
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Postby Nexus Corporation » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:54 pm

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Postby Destiny Island » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:56 pm

Nexus Corporation wrote:
Leon de Ortega wrote:Flag is fine. Worst flag known to man is the one with the hammer and sickle. It's the universal symbol for slavery.


I digress, I think the Hammer and Sickle is more of a symbol of the Peasants and Workers, rather than slavery.

Wait, read her nation's motto, you'll understand their entirely irrational opinion.
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Postby Nexus Corporation » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:57 pm

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Postby Destiny Island » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:58 pm

Nexus Corporation wrote:
Destiny Island wrote:Wait, read her nation's motto, you'll understand their entirely irrational opinion.


Ah, I see it now. ;)

They were probably waiting for a thread like this, that was their first post.
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Postby Destiny Island » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:00 pm

Nexus Corporation wrote:
Destiny Island wrote:They were probably waiting for a thread like this, that was their first post.


You're probably right.

*Le Sigh* Now let's get back to the topic.
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Postby Vettrera » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:01 pm

Destiny Island wrote:
Nexus Corporation wrote:
You're probably right.

*Le Sigh* Now let's get back to the topic.

I agree. This + The Slave Argument, is quite a tangent.
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Postby Hladgos » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:02 pm

It's a flag. It's not racist, it's just overused and overrated.
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Postby The Padelas Empire » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:03 pm

The flag itself isn't racist. The connotation that one carries with it could be. As a southerner I know I had several ancestors fight for the CSA, in which case if I do see a confederate flag it is meant in memory of them. Some other connotations is the fight for state powers from the federal government, and fighting against a central government. The idea of economic freedoms, and them of course the multitude of racist connotations as well. Southern pride just like the LGBT movement have their own flag, the rebels in Syria have one, etc.

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