Do you consider the Confederate flag to be racist

[Mormak]

Did history prove their movement defeated? Yes.

Were they wrong? Opinion, They surely didn't view it as "wrong".

Them not recognizing reality doesn't change it.

._. Realty is subjective.

The distinguishing characteristics of mind are of a subjective sort; we know them only from the contents of our own consciousness.-Wilhelm Wundt

[Dyakovo]

Them not recognizing reality doesn't change it.

._. Realty is subjective.

The distinguishing characteristics of mind are of a subjective sort; we know them only from the contents of our own consciousness.-Wilhelm Wundt

Yeah... We're done.

[King Avalon]

The entire country of the United States (not just the South) is traitorous. They did rebel against Britain during their Revolution. They hated the taxes and whatnot, but if the colonies belong to us, we have that right.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

._. Realty is subjective.

The distinguishing characteristics of mind are of a subjective sort; we know them only from the contents of our own consciousness.-Wilhelm Wundt

Yeah... We're done.

Reminds me of something my brother said when he got drunk for the first time.

[Dyakovo]

The entire country of the United States (not just the South) is traitorous. They did rebel against Britain during their Revolution. They hated the taxes ¹ and whatnot, but if the colonies belong to us, we have that right.²

1: False.
2: Care to try that again, only in English this time?

[King Avalon]

The entire country of the United States (not just the South) is traitorous. They did rebel against Britain during their Revolution. They hated the taxes ¹ and whatnot, but if the colonies belong to us, we have that right.²

1: False.
2: Care to try that again, only in English this time?

*Used to belong to Britain*

And yes it is true, regarding the tax. They thought it was unfair to be taxed more than those in the homeland. Britain was still trying to pay off debts from the Seven Years' War (Americans call it the French and Indian War I think).

[The Empire of Pretantia]

1: False.
2: Care to try that again, only in English this time?

*Used to belong to Britain*

But then they enacted many unfair policies.

[King Avalon]

*Used to belong to Britain*

But then they enacted many unfair policies.

My point is that if something belongs to you, do you not have the right to impose what you want on those living on your belonging?

[Tekania]

1: False.
2: Care to try that again, only in English this time?

*Used to belong to Britain*

And yes it is true, regarding the tax. They thought it was unfair to be taxed more than those in the homeland. Britain was still trying to pay off debts from the Seven Years' War (Americans call it the French and Indian War I think).

Complaints of taxation were just one thing, buy not by far the only thing.

[Dyakovo]

1: False.
2: Care to try that again, only in English this time?

*Used to belong to Britain*

And yes it is true, regarding the tax. They thought it was unfair to be taxed more than those in the homeland. Britain was still trying to pay off debts from the Seven Years' War (Americans call it the French and Indian War I think).

No, the issue wasn't taxation. It was representation.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

But then they enacted many unfair policies.

My point is that if something belongs to you, do you not have the right to impose what you want on those living on your belonging?

Ignoring the idea of personal and private property, and that they should've done the same with the isles if that was the case.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

*Used to belong to Britain*

And yes it is true, regarding the tax. They thought it was unfair to be taxed more than those in the homeland. Britain was still trying to pay off debts from the Seven Years' War (Americans call it the French and Indian War I think).

No, the issue wasn't taxation. It was representation.

This.

[King Avalon]

*Used to belong to Britain*

And yes it is true, regarding the tax. They thought it was unfair to be taxed more than those in the homeland. Britain was still trying to pay off debts from the Seven Years' War (Americans call it the French and Indian War I think).

No, the issue wasn't taxation. It was representation.

But wasn't it a part of the issue? Yes, they didn't have representation but when moving to the Americas, did anyone actually guarantee the colonists that they would be properly represented? No. That's why the Declaration stated what government should do and the Constitution established the federalism form of government. Included in that was representation as well as how taxes should be and so on. I took a World History class a while back, so I'm just stating what I can remember.

[Dyakovo]

No, the issue wasn't taxation. It was representation.

But wasn't it a part of the issue? Yes, they didn't have representation but when moving to the Americas, did anyone actually guarantee the colonists that they would be properly represented? No. That's why the Declaration stated what government should do and the Constitution established the federalism form of government. Included in that was representation as well as how taxes should be and so on. I took a World History class a while back, so I'm just stating what I can remember.

It was part of the issue, but if the colonies had been granted seats in Parliament, the revolution wouldn't have happened.

[King Avalon]

But wasn't it a part of the issue? Yes, they didn't have representation but when moving to the Americas, did anyone actually guarantee the colonists that they would be properly represented? No. That's why the Declaration stated what government should do and the Constitution established the federalism form of government. Included in that was representation as well as how taxes should be and so on. I took a World History class a while back, so I'm just stating what I can remember.

It was part of the issue, but if the colonies had been granted seats in Parliament, the revolution wouldn't have happened.

I suppose you do have a point there. But colonies are not technically parts of Great Britain like Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland are today. Therefore, they are not entitled to representation.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It was part of the issue, but if the colonies had been granted seats in Parliament, the revolution wouldn't have happened.

I suppose you do have a point there. But colonies are not technically parts of Great Britain like Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland are today. Therefore, they are not entitled to representation.

Therefore, they get pissed when their taxes are raised with no say-so from them.

[Dyakovo]

It was part of the issue, but if the colonies had been granted seats in Parliament, the revolution wouldn't have happened.

I suppose you do have a point there. But colonies are not technically parts of Great Britain like Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland are today. Therefore, they are not entitled to representation.

Right or wrong, the colonists disagreed...

[Mormak]

I suppose you do have a point there. But colonies are not technically parts of Great Britain like Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland are today. Therefore, they are not entitled to representation.

Right or wrong, the colonists disagreed...

Weren't we just here for the C.S.A?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Right or wrong, the colonists disagreed...

Weren't we just here for the C.S.A?

It tends to get brought up as a point of comparison.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Right or wrong, the colonists disagreed...

Weren't we just here for the C.S.A?

They both involve redneck rebels in some backwater their mother nation doesn't care about, to be jerky.

[Mormak]

Weren't we just here for the C.S.A?

They both involve redneck rebels in some backwater their mother nation doesn't care about, to be jerky.

No i meant for the point outline.

Right or wrong they disagreed.

[Dyakovo]

Weren't we just here for the C.S.A?

It tends to get brought up as a point of comparison.

And in both cases, the rebellion itself was illegal.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It tends to get brought up as a point of comparison.

And in both cases, the rebellion itself was illegal.

Technically speaking, all rebellions are illegal, which is a moot point.

[Dyakovo]

And in both cases, the rebellion itself was illegal.

Technically speaking, all rebellions are illegal, which is a moot point.

Indeed.
A rebellion is made legitimate by being successful.

[Mormak]

It tends to get brought up as a point of comparison.

And in both cases, the rebellion itself was illegal.

Lawful rebellions don't build new Nations, In fact in history they haven't accomplished much at all, in fact there aren't many examples of lawful "rebellion" period. although in the case of the C.S.A it didn't need to win to become one. It already had the territory and measures in place to be a state.