Do you consider the Confederate flag to be racist

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

<_< It was very much so about taxes.

"taxation with out representation" if i recall the saying.

Never mind that the crown revoked all import taxes for sugar, wool, cotton and what have you and only kept it on Tea leading up to the revolution but...well Tax i guess would be more accurate.

It was about representation, not taxes.

But the Crown raising the taxes on tea was one of the things that the founding fathers used as one of the reasons to revolt.

[Dyakovo]

The confederate flag is NOT racist.

Care to actually argue that point, or are you comfortable with the simple declarative statement?

Bonus points if you argue using points that haven't already been brought up and discarded time and again.

You just don't want to do the shots...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Care to actually argue that point, or are you comfortable with the simple declarative statement?

Bonus points if you argue using points that haven't already been brought up and discarded time and again.

You just don't want to do the shots...

Fine.

Bring it on!

*Prepares whiskey bottle, puts Poison Control Center on speed dial*

[Mormak]

The concept is useful in debate in a singular regard, it establishes opinions as just that.

Maybe if you're losing the debate and lack the intellectual honesty to admit the facts don't support your position.

Luckily for me this wasn't the case in this one eh?

[Geilinor]

It was about representation, not taxes.

But the Crown raising the taxes on tea was one of the things that the founding fathers used as one of the reasons to revolt.

It was an excuse to revolt. Honestly, many of them were just waiting for an excuse to get full independence and establish a republic.

[The Anarchist Juche]

No.
The Confederate States had been long oppressed by the North, this was the final straw. I may not agree with you, but I will not oppress you, especially not through Tyranny By Majority. Racists designed it, but a rag is just that, a rag, it has no ability to whip a black man and yell, "Work, Nigger!"

Take any of these opinions.

(Note: I am not a Racist.)

[Mormak]

But the Crown raising the taxes on tea was one of the things that the founding fathers used as one of the reasons to revolt.

It was an excuse to revolt.

Their representatives being ignored by Parliament didn't help the issue at all though i will point out. Made the Americans court the French instead of trying to appeal to the English courts to give them additional support and rights.

[The Liberal States of Russia]

The only Confederate flag that mattered was this one...

[Geilinor]

It was an excuse to revolt.

Their representatives being ignored by Parliament didn't help the issue at all though i will point out. Made the Americans court the French instead of trying to appeal to the English courts to give them additional support and rights.

The British weren't very sympathetic because they just saw it as the colonies being made to pay their fair share for being part of the empire.

[New Central Americas]

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The confederate flag isn't racist. It's just a symbol of southern pride and has nothing to do with racism. The commonly used confederate flag was not even the actual flag used by the CSA. Many people that display this flag are completely unaware of it's history and a lot of them think it represents either Lynyrd Skynyrd or the Dukes of Hazzard. Even if it was racist, its display is protected free speech under the First Amendment.

This flag that you use as an example: Depends where and how it is flown.
The ACTUAL official flag of the CSA: No, it was just another former nations flag; like prussia or the german empire.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The only Confederate flag that mattered was this one...

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We're going to get along well, I think.

[Geilinor]

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The confederate flag isn't racist. It's just a symbol of southern pride and has nothing to do with racism. The commonly used confederate flag was not even the actual flag used by the CSA. Many people that display this flag are completely unaware of it's history and a lot of them think it represents either Lynyrd Skynyrd or the Dukes of Hazzard. Even if it was racist, its display is protected free speech under the First Amendment.

This flag that you use as an example: Depends where and how it is flown.
The ACTUAL official flag of the CSA: No, it was just another former nations flag; like prussia or the german empire.

Was the Nazi flag just another flag?

[Tekania]

The issue here is with the legal validity of seizure of federal forts by state militia units. At the time of the seizures slavery issues were not a component of Union operations.

You mean the Sovereign armed forces of a Confederation of Nations.

Except by all recognized law at the time, they were not sovereign. In their own minds they might have been, but that is called delusion.

[Tekania]

They weren't sovereign though.

Their constitution disagrees.

As did their Armed forces.

A paper document made by an unrecognized state does not mean anything in any broader concept of law.

[Tekania]

I would have to agree with the others, they weren't sovereign, no more then the whiskey rebellion was sovereign. In order to claim sovereignty completely you sort of have to... win first? Much like the situation with America and England.

I'd even bow to recognition by another recognized state. No other recognized independent state on the planet recognized the CSA as an independent sovereign entity.

[Pandeeria]

No.
The Confederate States had been long oppressed by the North, this was the final straw. I may not agree with you, but I will not oppress you, especially not through Tyranny By Majority. Racists designed it, but a rag is just that, a rag, it has no ability to whip a black man and yell, "Work, Nigger!"

Take any of these opinions.

(Note: I am not a Racist.)

You're not racist, but you want to support a country that based a huge amount of it's economy off of slavery and racism?

[Mormak]

You mean the Sovereign armed forces of a Confederation of Nations.

Except by all recognized law at the time, they were not sovereign. In their own minds they might have been, but that is called delusion.

Note my prior post at the "recognition" of sovereignty to when it comes to states. There is no absolute theory on it.

Their constitution disagrees.

As did their Armed forces.

A paper document made by an unrecognized state does not mean anything in any broader concept of law.

Unrecognized by you and the Federalists, but not unrecognized by Law.

[Tekania]

The only Confederate flag that mattered was this one...

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Well they just about did use that one really.... the Stainless Banner was like that except with a little square battelflag like union in the corner of it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No.
The Confederate States had been long oppressed by the North, this was the final straw. I may not agree with you, but I will not oppress you, especially not through Tyranny By Majority. Racists designed it, but a rag is just that, a rag, it has no ability to whip a black man and yell, "Work, Nigger!"

Take any of these opinions.

(Note: I am not a Racist.)

Yeah, if you're crying about how the poor mean North was being unfair to people who held other people in bondage, willfully, freely, and legally abusing them for hundreds of years with the full backing of the individual states involved, and even forcing free states to arrest, imprison, and re-enslave those who had managed to escape, then...I can't quite say that you're a racist, but you're not that far removed.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Except by all recognized law at the time, they were not sovereign. In their own minds they might have been, but that is called delusion.

Note my prior post at the "recognition" of sovereignty to when it comes to states. There is no absolute theory on it.

A paper document made by an unrecognized state does not mean anything in any broader concept of law.

Unrecognized by you and the Federalists, but not unrecognized by Law.

Which law?

[Pandeeria]

Except by all recognized law at the time, they were not sovereign. In their own minds they might have been, but that is called delusion.

Note my prior post at the "recognition" of sovereignty to when it comes to states. There is no absolute theory on it.

Doesn't matter. They were not sovereign. You just cannot declare yourself sovereign and then the rights and responsibilities of sovereignty will just instantly poof up.

Their constitution disagrees.

As did their Armed forces.

A paper document made by an unrecognized state does not mean anything in any broader concept of law.

Unrecognized by you and the Federalists, but not unrecognized by Law.[/quote]

No one else recognized them.

You can call yourself cool all you want, but if no one else thinks you're cool, you're not cool.

[Dyakovo]

It was about representation, not taxes.

But the Crown raising the taxes on tea was one of the things that the founding fathers used as one of the reasons to revolt.

Because they had no say in it. If they had been given seats in Parliament, the revolution wouldn't have happened.

[Norstal]

No.
The Confederate States had been long oppressed by the North, this was the final straw.

NO

NO

GOD

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THEY HAD A MAJORITY IN CONGRESS. THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF OPPRESSION. JUST LOOK AT THE MOTHERFUCKING COMPROMISES THE NORTH HAD TO MAKE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise

LOOk. AT. THAT. MAP.

[Tekania]

Except by all recognized law at the time, they were not sovereign. In their own minds they might have been, but that is called delusion.

Note my prior post at the "recognition" of sovereignty to when it comes to states. There is no absolute theory on it.

A paper document made by an unrecognized state does not mean anything in any broader concept of law.

Unrecognized by you and the Federalists, but not unrecognized by Law.

Yes, unrecognized by law.

[Mormak]

Note my prior post at the "recognition" of sovereignty to when it comes to states. There is no absolute theory on it.



Unrecognized by you and the Federalists, but not unrecognized by Law.

Yes, unrecognized by law.

Not by their own which is the very subject that prompted this.

.-.