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Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:35 pm**

Dyakovo wrote:
Abariltir wrote:
A forum is just a place where like-minded people can talk. I do believe that the admins should be required to delete any violent posts, but I can agree with just shutting it down.

Although, you may be right, since I doubt the stormfront admins really care about violent posts.
But what about 4chan and similar troll-sites, they can be linked to crimes? Should we start shutting all similar websites aswell?

If they promote illegal activity, yes.

]But what do you mean by promoted, I mean even if they knew about it and just ignored it I don't think that's promoting it. Unless the people who run the site actually are actively involved in promoting it (rather than merely being a passive forum I see no problem.)

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:36 pm**

Anonymous is connected to 4chan, which is a group that is involved in illegal activity. If Stormfront is shutdown for having a bad userbase, so too must 4chan.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:37 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
East Catalina wrote:Wait, there isn't a word for "missionary position" in the three most Latin-like Romance languages?

The straight kind, no.

Replied to you in TG to avoid mod anxiety over Rio lewdness.

I read it, and have replied correspondingly.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:38 pm**

Dyakovo wrote:
Abariltir wrote:
A forum is just a place where like-minded people can talk. I do believe that the admins should be required to delete any violent posts, but I can agree with just shutting it down.

Although, you may be right, since I doubt the stormfront admins really care about violent posts.
But what about 4chan and similar troll-sites, they can be linked to crimes? Should we start shutting all similar websites aswell?

If they promote illegal activity, yes.

Here's a guy promoting illegal activity:
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
And again:
“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
He should be arrested, right?

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:38 pm**

We must find this website's vulnerability's and destroy it without mercy.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:38 pm**

Margno wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:If they promote illegal activity, yes.

Shit, now I can be arrested just for talking about breaking the law? I talk about breaking the law all the time. Do it way less. And I definitely do not have as much faith in the cops or the federal government as you.

Ummm... Abar was talking about shutting the site down, nothing more. Please try to learn how to follow conversations.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:38 pm**

Margno wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:If they promote illegal activity, yes.

Here's a guy was promoting illegal activity:
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
He should be arrested, right?

If memory serves, he was.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:39 pm**

Saiwania wrote:Anonymous is connected to 4chan, which is a group that is involved in illegal activity. If Stormfront is shutdown for having a bad userbase, so too must 4chan.

You'll hear no complaints from me if they are.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:40 pm**

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Margno wrote:Here's a guy was promoting illegal activity:
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
He should be arrested, right?

If memory serves, he was.

Yes.

And I think he had the right of it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:40 pm**

Margno wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:If they promote illegal activity, yes.

Here's a guy was promoting illegal activity:
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
And again:
“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
He should be arrested, right?

Possibly.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:40 pm**

Dyakovo wrote:
Margno wrote:Shit, now I can be arrested just for talking about breaking the law? I talk about breaking the law all the time. Do it way less. And I definitely do not have as much faith in the cops or the federal government as you.

Ummm... Abar was talking about shutting the site down, nothing more. Please try to learn how to follow conversations.

Snark is what people resort to when they can't defeat your arguments.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:40 pm**

Dyakovo wrote:
Bythibus wrote:How is that relevant?

How is it not relevant to my initial response?

Considering the context of the thread, I don't see how it's at all relevant. I mean, Stormfront is hosted in the US... which is very much not okay with murder.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:42 pm**

Margno wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Ummm... Abar was talking about shutting the site down, nothing more. Please try to learn how to follow conversations.

Snark is what people resort to when they can't defeat your arguments.

You had no argument. What you had was an an ability to follow a conversation.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:44 pm**

Bythibus wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:How is it not relevant to my initial response?

Considering the context of the thread, I don't see how it's at all relevant. I mean, Stormfront is hosted in the US... which is very much not okay with murder.

He was expanding the question beyond just Stormfront, you know, because I stated that I was in favor of any site that promotes illegal activity being shut down.

Seriously, is the inability to follow a conversation contagious?

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:46 pm**

Dyakovo wrote:
Margno wrote:Snark is what people resort to when they can't defeat your arguments.

You had no argument. What you had was an an ability to follow a conversation.

What you have is a lack of respect for the other people on this site, and everyone can see it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:48 pm**

Margno wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:You had no argument. What you had was an an ability to follow a conversation.

What you have is a lack of respect for the other people on this site, and everyone can see it.

Okay. I wasn't making any effort to hide the fact that I have no respect for those who are unworthy of respect, so... I guess I'm glad people can see it...

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:02 pm**

Dyakovo wrote:
Bythibus wrote:Considering the context of the thread, I don't see how it's at all relevant. I mean, Stormfront is hosted in the US... which is very much not okay with murder.

He was expanding the question beyond just Stormfront, you know, because I stated that I was in favor of any site that promotes illegal activity being shut down.

Seriously, is the inability to follow a conversation contagious?

Calm down, no need to throw useless insults.

All I'm saying is that in this context, the question is moot.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:11 pm**

Saiwania wrote:Anonymous is connected to 4chan, which is a group that is involved in illegal activity. If Stormfront is shutdown for having a bad userbase, so too must 4chan.

DoS attacks and trolling people online are more serious than racially motivated murders. Why won't more people realize this?

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:15 pm**

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:All sites that encourage hate of any sort should be banned; regardless of whom they hate. Homophobic sites, racist sites, antisemitic sites, transphobic sites, Germanophobic sites, Anglophobic sites, Islamophobic sites; all of them should be shut down.

True. But there is also problem with mosques and sharia courts in England. There are also equal bad as hate speech websites. Tjey encouraged various terrorist attackes starting from 9/11 to the execution of the british soldier in woolwich. If such sites had to be banned than mosques and sharia court should also.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:19 pm**

Gauthier wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Anonymous is connected to 4chan, which is a group that is involved in illegal activity. If Stormfront is shutdown for having a bad userbase, so too must 4chan.

DoS attacks and trolling people online are more serious than racially motivated murders. Why won't more people realize this?

I mean, some of the harassment campaigns instigated by 4chan and related groups crosses the line into illegality. In that respect, he is right.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:49 pm**

Also their is even gays on stormfront which is pretty outrageous. No true racially aware community should tolerate it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:51 pm**

Independent Canterbury wrote:Also their is even gays on stormfront which is pretty outrageous. No true racially aware community should tolerate it.

Can you tell me why you feel that way?

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:58 pm**

Saiwania wrote:Anonymous is connected to 4chan, which is a group that is involved in illegal activity. If Stormfront is shutdown for having a bad userbase, so too must 4chan.

like to see you try :lol2:

Posted: **Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:59 pm**

Margno wrote:
Independent Canterbury wrote:Also their is even gays on stormfront which is pretty outrageous. No true racially aware community should tolerate it.

Why do you think so?

Well for one racist white supremacists also tend to be raging homophobes.

Posted: **Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:03 am**

Beta Test wrote:
Margno wrote: Why do you think so?

Well for one racist white supremacists also tend to be raging homophobes.

Of course raging homophobes have a habit of being in denial of their own homosexuality so...

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