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Free Soviets wrote:

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:To quote Daniel Dennett "Oh we've had lots of atheist presidents. They just haven't admitted it."

for example, obama only got religion when he went to go work with the black community on the southside. now, that may be a totally honest moment of finding black jesus, but it looks awfully expedient to me.

Whole Conviction wrote:

Muravyets wrote:That's just BS, sorry. You might be able to squeak through that lame argument you're trying to make about European countries because they have official religions and weird ways of noting them in their census data. But in the US, where there is no official religion and all statistics come from individuals self-reporting about themselves? And you claim that HERE, there aren't as many Christians as it seems and they're not in the positions of privilege and power they seem? Horseshit.

America has a lot of Christians in it... but not, apparently, REAL Christians!

(I'd actually agree. I'm not sure there's been a Real Christian since about 30 AD)

Bottle wrote:

Whole Conviction wrote:America has a lot of Christians in it... but not, apparently, REAL Christians!

(I'd actually agree. I'm not sure there's been a Real Christian since about 30 AD)

I don't care if they're Real Christians or False Christians or I Can't Believe They're Not Christians, I just want them to quit trying to legislate Leviticus into my private life.

Bottle wrote:

Whole Conviction wrote:

Muravyets wrote:That's just BS, sorry. You might be able to squeak through that lame argument you're trying to make about European countries because they have official religions and weird ways of noting them in their census data. But in the US, where there is no official religion and all statistics come from individuals self-reporting about themselves? And you claim that HERE, there aren't as many Christians as it seems and they're not in the positions of privilege and power they seem? Horseshit.

America has a lot of Christians in it... but not, apparently, REAL Christians!

(I'd actually agree. I'm not sure there's been a Real Christian since about 30 AD)

I don't care if they're Real Christians or False Christians or I Can't Believe They're Not Christians, I just want them to quit trying to legislate Leviticus into my private life.

Abdju wrote:

Bottle wrote:

Whole Conviction wrote:

Muravyets wrote:That's just BS, sorry. You might be able to squeak through that lame argument you're trying to make about European countries because they have official religions and weird ways of noting them in their census data. But in the US, where there is no official religion and all statistics come from individuals self-reporting about themselves? And you claim that HERE, there aren't as many Christians as it seems and they're not in the positions of privilege and power they seem? Horseshit.

America has a lot of Christians in it... but not, apparently, REAL Christians!

(I'd actually agree. I'm not sure there's been a Real Christian since about 30 AD)

I don't care if they're Real Christians or False Christians or I Can't Believe They're Not Christians, I just want them to quit trying to legislate Leviticus into my private life.

Don't be so mean, they are doing it for the good of your eternal soul

Muravyets wrote:

Tokos wrote:Oh yes, the USA most certainly. That didn't make my little list.

It's very amusing to see Americans telling me I live in a heavily Christian country, though. The religious demographics here are generally those of foreign origin.

That's just BS, sorry. You might be able to squeak through that lame argument you're trying to make about European countries because they have official religions and weird ways of noting them in their census data. But in the US, where there is no official religion and all statistics come from individuals self-reporting about themselves? And you claim that HERE, there aren't as many Christians as it seems and they're not in the positions of privilege and power they seem? Horseshit.

Whole Conviction wrote:

Free Soviets wrote:

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:To quote Daniel Dennett "Oh we've had lots of atheist presidents. They just haven't admitted it."

for example, obama only got religion when he went to go work with the black community on the southside. now, that may be a totally honest moment of finding black jesus, but it looks awfully expedient to me.

So who are you to question that? You have no evidence one way or another, so why not take his word for it?

Free Soviets wrote:because his word on this subject is compromised by the very political expedience of both his actions and what he has to say about them.

you won't have much success as a community organizer among urban african americans without ties to the community, which is strongly centered around the black churches. and somehow a kid that was raised without any particular religion just so happens to start attending and become a member of just such a church exactly when he is involved in just such a community organizer role.

Whole Conviction wrote:

Free Soviets wrote:because his word on this subject is compromised by the very political expedience of both his actions and what he has to say about them.

you won't have much success as a community organizer among urban african americans without ties to the community, which is strongly centered around the black churches. and somehow a kid that was raised without any particular religion just so happens to start attending and become a member of just such a church exactly when he is involved in just such a community organizer role.

And as you mentioned in your last post, there's another explanation entirely for it. One which is plausible and believable.

I thought the general etiquette was that without evidence, or a lack of convincing explanation, one didn't question another's faith?

Tokos wrote:I don't know what you're on about given I just said I didn't put America in the list because it IS definitely predominantly Christian, outside certain pockets like the SF bay area and whatnot.

Bottle wrote:

Whole Conviction wrote:

Muravyets wrote:That's just BS, sorry. You might be able to squeak through that lame argument you're trying to make about European countries because they have official religions and weird ways of noting them in their census data. But in the US, where there is no official religion and all statistics come from individuals self-reporting about themselves? And you claim that HERE, there aren't as many Christians as it seems and they're not in the positions of privilege and power they seem? Horseshit.

America has a lot of Christians in it... but not, apparently, REAL Christians!

(I'd actually agree. I'm not sure there's been a Real Christian since about 30 AD)

I don't care if they're Real Christians or False Christians or I Can't Believe They're Not Christians, I just want them to quit trying to legislate Leviticus into my private life.

Cross-Rhodes wrote:Don't confuse Christianity with Judaism. I doubt many Christians would even attempt to read Leviticus, much less understand and legislate it.

The Tofu Islands wrote:

Cross-Rhodes wrote:Don't confuse Christianity with Judaism. I doubt many Christians would even attempt to read Leviticus, much less understand and legislate it.

The number of Christians who oppose homosexuality and use Leviticus as their justification would seem to suggest otherwise.

Cross-Rhodes wrote:

Bottle wrote:

Whole Conviction wrote:

Muravyets wrote:That's just BS, sorry. You might be able to squeak through that lame argument you're trying to make about European countries because they have official religions and weird ways of noting them in their census data. But in the US, where there is no official religion and all statistics come from individuals self-reporting about themselves? And you claim that HERE, there aren't as many Christians as it seems and they're not in the positions of privilege and power they seem? Horseshit.

America has a lot of Christians in it... but not, apparently, REAL Christians!

(I'd actually agree. I'm not sure there's been a Real Christian since about 30 AD)

I don't care if they're Real Christians or False Christians or I Can't Believe They're Not Christians, I just want them to quit trying to legislate Leviticus into my private life.

Don't confuse Christianity with Judaism. I doubt many Christians would even attempt to read Leviticus, much less understand and legislate it.

Coffin-Breathe wrote:...basically, I´d say, the Great C´tulhu is the best, but there´s the problem of learning all this unspeakable and forgotten ancient languages for correct praying as well as worshipping the Great C´tulhu is somehow a bit risky, with all the crazy CoC-gamers outside, only waiting to shoot you in the back for being a cultist.
Another good choice would be Mammon, he seems to rule almost the complete known world secretly...great benefits will await you !
Depending on what you prefer for afterlife (severe lifelong worshipping required), Allah seems to offer some pretty good things (paradise filled with virgins, aso), while, if you´re more of the sensitive kind, the Christian God would be okay for you (eternal sitting on cloud seven while prancing, singing "glory, glory" or playing the harp and being stupid happy, and provides some cute pair of wings too).
You´re more the action-guy ? Well, then try those old-style pantheons, they´ve got lots of action there, including war, intrigues, orgies, love and extramarital adventures, pretty fine soap.
Hinduism is cool, as it provides you with endless experiences of being a grubworm maybe, or a NS-character, but it´s hard to memorize all those millions of different gods...
But wait - my friend here Mr. Lou Cypher is accidentally claiming to have some open position for devouted followers (never raped and sacrificed a virgin before ? oh, you will love it), he would offer great bargains too; just sign...
And there are many others too - well, that´s really a hard decision to make, especially when some of those gods are really possessive to a grade, so take my advice and stay as an Atheist, that´s much more easier...

Bottle wrote:Yeah, you'd be wrong on that count. Christians where I live are absolutely in LOVE with Leviticus. Except for, you know, all the parts about eating shrimp, wearing clothing of mixed fabrics, and pretty much anything that doesn't revolve around telling gays that they are going to Hell.

Abdju wrote:

Bottle wrote:Yeah, you'd be wrong on that count. Christians where I live are absolutely in LOVE with Leviticus. Except for, you know, all the parts about eating shrimp, wearing clothing of mixed fabrics, and pretty much anything that doesn't revolve around telling gays that they are going to Hell.

If gays go to hell, what happens to people who are gay AND wear linen/cotton mix?

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Worship the ideal Platonic forms. All hail transcendent mathematical perfection!

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Worship the ideal Platonic forms. All hail transcendent mathematical perfection!

Which God?

Milks Empire wrote:

The Tofu Islands wrote:

Cross-Rhodes wrote:Don't confuse Christianity with Judaism. I doubt many Christians would even attempt to read Leviticus, much less understand and legislate it.

The number of Christians who oppose homosexuality and use Leviticus as their justification would seem to suggest otherwise.

There's another thing that doesn't add up. If the ban on multifiber clothes, planting two crops in the same field, or eating clams and shrimp don't apply, why does 18:22?