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Postby F1-Insanity » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:45 am

Angleter wrote:
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Kirav wrote:As a Universalist Monotheist, they're all the same God, as far as I'm concerned. The difference is how one looks at Him.


Hanuman too? And what about the Flying Spaghetti Monster?


Hanuman's polytheist. It probably doesn't count. And the FSM's existence is disproved by the fact that noodles, let alone spaghetti, were invented only 4000 years ago at the earliest.


Do you know that for sure?

Oh, and even if, FSM is still older than the 'god' of christianity (who was made up some 2010 years ago) or the 'allah' of islam who was made up 1400 years ago.

FSM wins again :) :bow:
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Postby Station 12 » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:52 am

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Kirav wrote:As a Universalist Monotheist, they're all the same God, as far as I'm concerned. The difference is how one looks at Him.


Hanuman too? And what about the Flying Spaghetti Monster?


Hanuman's polytheist. It probably doesn't count. And the FSM's existence is disproved by the fact that noodles, let alone spaghetti, were invented only 4000 years ago at the earliest.

If I remember correctly, noodles were not invented, they were discovered in a secret dungeon somewhere. (You know, the ones with the keys that break when you use them, the ones that cave in as soon as you exit? Yeah, one of those.)
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Best part is you get to celebrate its rebirth tomorrow (winter solstice).


Actually, not all Sun worship revolves around the solstices.

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Postby Muravyets » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:17 am

Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?

The one that I don't follow. Good luck with it.
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Postby Angleter » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:25 am

F1-Insanity wrote:
Angleter wrote:
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Kirav wrote:As a Universalist Monotheist, they're all the same God, as far as I'm concerned. The difference is how one looks at Him.


Hanuman too? And what about the Flying Spaghetti Monster?


Hanuman's polytheist. It probably doesn't count. And the FSM's existence is disproved by the fact that noodles, let alone spaghetti, were invented only 4000 years ago at the earliest.


Do you know that for sure?

Oh, and even if, FSM is still older than the 'god' of christianity (who was made up some 2010 years ago) or the 'allah' of islam who was made up 1400 years ago.

FSM wins again :) :bow:


In any case, the noodles would have to be made from flour from cereals and water, so there would be four pre-requisites for his existence:

1) It is possible to grow cereals outside the universe;
2) It is possible to grind those cereals into flour outside the universe;
3) It is possible to get water outside the universe;
4) There is a creator there to get everything together and make the noodles to make the FSM.

So either the FSM does not exist or it is not the creator god, since it has a creator itself. As an aside, the Christian God and Islamic Allah are the same thing (also see Yahweh)- the Abrahamic God, which- if it was invented (which I believe it wasn't)- would have been invented by Abraham in 2000 BC- about the same time as the earliest noodles date back to.
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Postby F1-Insanity » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:29 am

Angleter wrote:As an aside, the Christian God and Islamic Allah are the same thing


Not really, the concepts are mutually exclusive. Because this fella 'jesus' cannot be the 'son of god' and 'not the son of god but a minor prophet' at the same time. And as far as I can remember, 'jesus = son of god' is a pretty central concept in christianity, a concept which islam specifically and explicitly denies. The funny thing is, islam is more correct here than christianity, because it says 'jesus = not son of god', since there is no 'god' they are correct. But where islam goes wrong, is that they bring in a concept of 'allah' which also doesn't exist. And this fella Muhammad suffered from a complete lack of morals (to put it mildly).

Its an uncomfortable fact for many religious folks, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless.

In any case, the noodles would have to be made from flour from cereals and water, so there would be four pre-requisites for his existence:

1) It is possible to grow cereals outside the universe;
2) It is possible to grind those cereals into flour outside the universe;
3) It is possible to get water outside the universe;
4) There is a creator there to get everything together and make the noodles to make the FSM.

So either the FSM does not exist or it is not the creator god, since it has a creator itself. As an aside, the Christian God and Islamic Allah are the same thing (also see Yahweh)- the Abrahamic God, which- if it was invented (which I believe it wasn't)- would have been invented by Abraham in 2000 BC- about the same time as the earliest noodles date back to.


All the more proof that FSM is the one true 'god' :bow:
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Postby Angleter » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:32 am

F1-Insanity wrote:
Angleter wrote:As an aside, the Christian God and Islamic Allah are the same thing


Not really, the concepts are mutually exclusive. Because this fella 'jesus' cannot be the 'son of god' and 'not the son of god but a minor prophet' at the same time. And as far as I can remember, 'jesus = son of god' is a pretty central concept in christianity, a concept which islam specifically and explicitly denies. The funny thing is, islam is more correct here than christianity, because it says 'jesus = not son of god', since there is no 'god' they are correct. But where islam goes wrong, is that they bring in a concept of 'allah' which also doesn't exist. And this fella Muhammad suffered from a complete lack of morals (to put it mildly).

Its an uncomfortable fact for many religious folks, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless.


Actuellement, it is the same God. Of course Jesus can't be God's Son and not God's Son at the same time, but that just shows that the Abrahamic religions disagree on various things about their shared God and have different versions of events of what happened with Him.
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Postby F1-Insanity » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:37 pm

Angleter wrote:
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Angleter wrote:As an aside, the Christian God and Islamic Allah are the same thing


Not really, the concepts are mutually exclusive. Because this fella 'jesus' cannot be the 'son of god' and 'not the son of god but a minor prophet' at the same time. And as far as I can remember, 'jesus = son of god' is a pretty central concept in christianity, a concept which islam specifically and explicitly denies. The funny thing is, islam is more correct here than christianity, because it says 'jesus = not son of god', since there is no 'god' they are correct. But where islam goes wrong, is that they bring in a concept of 'allah' which also doesn't exist. And this fella Muhammad suffered from a complete lack of morals (to put it mildly).

Its an uncomfortable fact for many religious folks, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless.


Actuellement, it is the same God. Of course Jesus can't be God's Son and not God's Son at the same time, but that just shows that the Abrahamic religions disagree on various things about their shared God and have different versions of events of what happened with Him.


It is NOT the same concept, and not just because neither exists. The concept of 'allah' came from pagan Arab tribes and the concept 'god' came from semitic tribes in a different area. Of course, both concepts are utter hokey.
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Postby Mrl2583838 » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:21 pm

Jesus/God (Christianity is definitely the way to go. Read The Case for Christ

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:22 pm

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Postby Valhyem » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:28 pm

The answer is OBVIOUSLY C'thulhu. Or Shub-Niggurath. Or Nyartholep....

To be honest, just worship the Elder Gods and the Great Old Ones. I'm sure they'd love to eat I mean, have you worship them.

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Postby Soviet Commu-Facism » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:30 pm

In real life I would say God, like the God from the Bible, and Jesus. But on the internet and particularly NS, I would say Lord Sithious, for he is me! :twisted: JOIN OR BE DESTROYED IN THE GREAT DESTRUCTION OF ALL IMPERFECT PEOPLE!

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Postby F1-Insanity » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:32 pm

Mrl2583838 wrote:Jesus/God (Christianity is definitely the way to go. Read The Case for Christ


Lord of the Rings is fiction too, but more entertaining. So no, thanks. :)
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Postby Wallonochia » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:36 pm

Abdju wrote:My gods are the only true gods... Everyone else's are full of fail :p


Didn't Jack O'Neill kill most of them?

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Postby Soviet Commu-Facism » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:42 pm

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Mrl2583838 wrote:Jesus/God (Christianity is definitely the way to go. Read The Case for Christ


Lord of the Rings is fiction too, but more entertaining. So no, thanks. :)

That's a pretty broad statement to make. Read God at Ground Zero; that is totally non-fiction, in fact, it's more of a biography. Not to mention there are millions of stories people who have stories to tell about God, ask any number of them, they are all very good and the majority are very true.

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:48 pm

Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:That's a pretty broad statement to make. Read God at Ground Zero; that is totally non-fiction, in fact, it's more of a biography. Not to mention there are millions of stories people who have stories to tell about God, ask any number of them, they are all very good and the majority are very true.


True but most likely misinterpreted.
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Postby Soviet Commu-Facism » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:59 pm

You mean the stories? I highly doubt they were misinterpreted. I have a few of my own in fact, and with all the stories I have, I no longer believe in coincidence. Everything happens for a reason, even if it small and doesn't really even matter, it is still a reason. I am also in chemistry, so I basically only believe in things I can experience.

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Postby Muravyets » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:03 pm

Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:
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Mrl2583838 wrote:Jesus/God (Christianity is definitely the way to go. Read The Case for Christ


Lord of the Rings is fiction too, but more entertaining. So no, thanks. :)

That's a pretty broad statement to make. Read God at Ground Zero; that is totally non-fiction, in fact, it's more of a biography. Not to mention there are millions of stories people who have stories to tell about God, ask any number of them, they are all very good and the majority are very true.

You have no way to prove that "the majority are very true." Assertions of truth in the factual sense of "true" are always totally unprovable for ALL religions, including the one you like. The mere fact that millions of people tell stories does not in any way prove that those stories are true.

In any event, I would argue that claims of "truth" -- meaning external, factual actuality -- are not a reason to worship a god -- any god -- because such claims are always observably false, and almost always traceable to a self-serving motive on behalf of those who promote said claims the most loudly.

In my opinion, a far better reason to worship a god is that said god answers a personal inner need, for which no external proof or testament of others is needed, and for which an understanding of truth or lack thereof is intuitive.
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Postby Muravyets » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:04 pm

Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:You mean the stories? I highly doubt they were misinterpreted. I have a few of my own in fact, and with all the stories I have, I no longer believe in coincidence. Everything happens for a reason, even if it small and doesn't really even matter, it is still a reason. I am also in chemistry, so I basically only believe in things I can experience.

It is a subjective reason that is not applicable to anyone but you, of course.
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Postby Krazniastan » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:17 pm

All of them.

None of them.

Whatever floats your boat.

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Postby The Adrian Empire » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:39 pm

F1-Insanity wrote:
Angleter wrote:
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Angleter wrote:As an aside, the Christian God and Islamic Allah are the same thing


Not really, the concepts are mutually exclusive. Because this fella 'jesus' cannot be the 'son of god' and 'not the son of god but a minor prophet' at the same time. And as far as I can remember, 'jesus = son of god' is a pretty central concept in christianity, a concept which islam specifically and explicitly denies. The funny thing is, islam is more correct here than christianity, because it says 'jesus = not son of god', since there is no 'god' they are correct. But where islam goes wrong, is that they bring in a concept of 'allah' which also doesn't exist. And this fella Muhammad suffered from a complete lack of morals (to put it mildly).

Its an uncomfortable fact for many religious folks, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless.


Actuellement, it is the same God. Of course Jesus can't be God's Son and not God's Son at the same time, but that just shows that the Abrahamic religions disagree on various things about their shared God and have different versions of events of what happened with Him.


It is NOT the same concept, and not just because neither exists. The concept of 'allah' came from pagan Arab tribes and the concept 'god' came from semitic tribes in a different area. Of course, both concepts are utter hokey.


Proving, you are completely religiously ignorant, first off, The Islamic Faith believes in the one true God as revealed by the prophet Abraham, as does Christianity and Judaism, they stem from the same source, the word "Allah" is the Islamic Word for Yahweh, Islam believes in it's scriptures that Christianity and Judaism are both fellow religions of the book. So much so that they are the only other people who can make food "halal" and the only other religions that Islam allows to live freely under Sharia Law.

Jesus being divine and not just a mortal is debated even within certain sects of Christianity, it isn't written in stone, in fact it wasn't even decided until the Nicene Council, 200 years later. But the majority of Christians, (like me) believe that he was the son of God.

Islam believes that he was a prophet and that he was a great teacher, as the Jews believe he was a great man, but neither believe he was divine, that is up to them.

The fact remains all three believe in the first books of the bible and the God of Abraham
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And has sex with horses.

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Postby Gift-of-god » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:26 am

As someone who has had personal revelations of god, and have actually 'felt the presence', I would suggest that you try to follow your own spiritual direction, rather than any organised religion.
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Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?


A non-genocidal one.

I know it's difficult to find such a god.
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i'm still waiting for john frum to bring me much cargo, myself.

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