Former Mayor Bloomberg Fights Against NRA

[Blazedtown]

Not even a bomb which takes more time to procure and set up.

Not as hard as you'd think. If terrorists had more than half a brain there would be a lot more successful bombings. Obviously I can't go into details because it would get me DOSed and probably get on a few watch lists.

[Geilinor]

That was a single incident.

And? 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing were also single incidents. I'm not what you are inferring.

Mass killings with firearms are more common.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Not even a bomb which takes more time to procure and set up.

Not as hard as you'd think. If terrorists had more than half a brain there would be a lot more successful bombings. Obviously I can't go into details because it would get me DOSed and probably get on a few watch lists.

Actually, they've smartened up. They're just laying back not lifting a finger as they laugh at the gun control policies Americans have as of right now. Why go through the trouble of trying to sneak into a country and go all through the rigorous process to plant bombs when you can allow all the Redneck Bobs shoot up everything on site? Hell, they could just fund the NRA just to speed up the process if need be.

[Llamalandia]

Meh, sometimes it's apt though, like wanting to ban the death penalty in all circumstances or on grounds of compassion. Actually in this case I believe people were more divided, because some perceived stop and frisk to be racially motivated while others didn't and actually wanted it to continue because it was actually making their neighborhoods safer.

I just prefer we don't call each other names . I think it would solve more things if we stopped using silly names to describe each others political preferences (Which I don't really consider myself to be liberal or conservative, just whatever the hell I believe in. No reason to associate myself with democrats or republicans, or liberal or conservative, even if my beliefs may lean towards one more than the other).

And I'm against the death penalty entirely, too, but I don't really see how that makes me a "bleeding heart liberal". And not really a topic for this thread so I won't go there.

People with knives, forks, swords, hammers, chainsaws, cars, drugs, and fists also kill people.

You're more likely to survive pretty much all of those than being stabbed by a knife, which was pretty apparent by the knife attack recently. Of course, depends how much you're stabbed. And they're less effective, as well, because you can't just stab a room full of people from where you're standing

Oh, well I wasn't trying to call you a bleeding heart if that's what you thought, and I apologize for any confusion. I was more generalizing about the electorate in many parts of NYC (and aadmittedly even that is a quite sweeping generalization). Likewise I register as an independent/libertarian rather than identifying with R or D or conservative/liberal.

Also, i likewise am against the death penalty in most instances, and I merely offered as an example of when the term bleeding heart may be an appropriately label, namely when people are against the death penalty bc of compassion (as opposed to being against it because innocent people are sometimes executed). But yes, I don't want to threadjack this into too much of a discussion about the death penalty.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Not as hard as you'd think. If terrorists had more than half a brain there would be a lot more successful bombings. Obviously I can't go into details because it would get me DOSed and probably get on a few watch lists.

Actually, they've smartened up. They're just laying back not lifting a finger as they laugh at the gun control policies Americans have as of right now. Why go through the trouble of trying to sneak into a country and go all through the rigorous process to plant bombs when you can allow all the Redneck Bobs shoot up everything on site? Hell, they could just fund the NRA just to speed up the process if need be.

Yeah.. that's exactly whats happening.

[Corrian]

Not as hard as you'd think. If terrorists had more than half a brain there would be a lot more successful bombings. Obviously I can't go into details because it would get me DOSed and probably get on a few watch lists.

And the interesting part is a simple Google search can pretty much give you directions how to make that kind of stuff. It isn't really very difficult anymore.

Of course, I guess looking that kind of thing up might put you on "Watch lists", if they're actually really tracking all of that (Which I have my doubts)

[Llamalandia]

And? 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing were also single incidents. I'm not what you are inferring.

Mass killings with firearms are more common.

True, but I'm guessing mass firearm killings account for less deaths than say 9/11. (although it depends on what the definition of massive is.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Not as hard as you'd think. If terrorists had more than half a brain there would be a lot more successful bombings. Obviously I can't go into details because it would get me DOSed and probably get on a few watch lists.

And the interesting part is a simple Google search can pretty much give you directions how to make that kind of stuff. It isn't really very difficult anymore.

Of course, I guess looking that kind of thing up might put you on "Watch lists", if they're actually really tracking all of that (Which I have my doubts)

Or for about $10 cash, you can acquire "literature" from at must surplus stores.

[Blazedtown]

Actually, they've smartened up. They're just laying back not lifting a finger as they laugh at the gun control policies Americans have as of right now. Why go through the trouble of trying to sneak into a country and go all through the rigorous process to plant bombs when you can allow all the Redneck Bobs shoot up everything on site? Hell, they could just fund the NRA just to speed up the process if need be.

America's gun control policy is a part of Al Qaeda's master plan to undermine the imperialist infidel crusades dating back to the time of the American revolution. Wake up sheeple!

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Not as hard as you'd think. If terrorists had more than half a brain there would be a lot more successful bombings. Obviously I can't go into details because it would get me DOSed and probably get on a few watch lists.

Actually, they've smartened up. They're just laying back not lifting a finger as they laugh at the gun control policies Americans have as of right now. Why go through the trouble of trying to sneak into a country and go all through the rigorous process to plant bombs when you can allow all the Redneck Bobs shoot up everything on site? Hell, they could just fund the NRA just to speed up the process if need be.

Yes. Redneck Bob is an agent of Al Queada.

[Corrian]

True, but I'm guessing mass firearm killings account for less deaths than say 9/11. (although it depends on what the definition of massive is.

I saw someone say that 35,000 people die in the US every yeah from gun violence, but I'm not certain if that's accurate. That's more than 9/11 but isn't exactly every one being a mass shooting.

Or for about $10 cash, you can acquire "literature" from at must surplus stores.

Yeah. It's kinda weird when you think about it that someone who wants to make a bomb could just go buy a book for $10.

[Blazedtown]

Or for about $10 cash, you can acquire "literature" from at must surplus stores.

Yeah. It's kinda weird when you think about it that someone who wants to make a bomb could just go buy a book for $10.

Like I said, if they had more than half a brain.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Yes. Redneck Bob is an agent of Al Queada.

More like Redneck Bob isn't aware that he's an agent of Al Qaeda.

[Blazedtown]

Yes. Redneck Bob is an agent of Al Queada.

More like Redneck Bob isn't aware that he's an agent of Al Qaeda.

Because rednecks are the ones doing the drive-bys in Chicago.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

He is not conservative. He supports many things contrary to conservatism.

Define "conservative". He'd sure fit in with European conservatives. http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0/index.jsp?pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2007b%2Fpr348-07.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1

American conservatism is the support for traditional American values. He doesn't support traditional American values.

[Death Metal]

Define "conservative". He'd sure fit in with European conservatives. http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0/index.jsp?pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2007b%2Fpr348-07.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1

American conservatism is the support for traditional American values.

No, that's liberalism. Conservatism is what America was founded against.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

American conservatism is the support for traditional American values.

No, that's liberalism. Conservatism is what America was founded against.

America was founded on classical liberalism.

[Death Metal]

No, that's liberalism. Conservatism is what America was founded against.

America was founded on classical liberalism.

Fixed. They abandoned classical liberalism when they drafted the Constitution.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

America was founded on classical liberalism.

Fixed. They abandoned classical liberalism when they drafted the Constitution.

Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2][3][4] Classical liberalism is built on ideas that had already arisen by the end of the 18th century, including ideas of Adam Smith, John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on a psychological understanding of individual liberty, natural law, utilitarianism, and a belief in progress.[5]

Classical liberalism continued well into the 19th century, until progressives would sweep the American political stage.

[Death Metal]

Fixed. They abandoned classical liberalism when they drafted the Constitution.

Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2][3][4] Classical liberalism is built on ideas that had already arisen by the end of the 18th century, including ideas of Adam Smith, John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on a psychological understanding of individual liberty, natural law, utilitarianism, and a belief in progress.[5]

Classical liberalism continued well into the 19th century, until progressives would sweep the American political stage.

Except, you know, when they realized limited government and laissez-faire were both shit, so they undid that with the Constitution, and adopted progressivism.

Your copypasta doesn't address that.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2][3][4] Classical liberalism is built on ideas that had already arisen by the end of the 18th century, including ideas of Adam Smith, John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on a psychological understanding of individual liberty, natural law, utilitarianism, and a belief in progress.[5]

Classical liberalism continued well into the 19th century, until progressives would sweep the American political stage.

Except, you know, when they realized limited government and laissez-faire were both shit, so they undid that with the Constitution, and adopted progressivism.


Your copypasta doesn't address that.

You do realize that the Constitution greatly limited the government too, right? Not as much as the Articles would have, but it still favored limited government and laissez faire economics.

Read

[Naturist]

Hurrah! Finally, some good sense! About time those NRA bitches met their match!

I think the NRA will finally get outspent, the man is a billionaire many times over.

It's not about money. Its about the rule of law and our 2nd amendment freedoms.. we will NEVER give up our guns!!!!

[Death Metal]

You do realize that the Constitution greatly limited the government too, right? Not as much as the Articles would have, but it still favored limited government and laissez faire economics.

Compared to the Articles, it was a massive expansion, and allowed for further expansion.

Also, it added the commerce clause, which basically was designed to do away with laissez-faire.

Sure, it was more limited than every other nation in the world at the time, but it was not at all a minarchic state, nor was it ever intended to be one perpetually. It was, indeed, the birth of modern liberalism.

EDIT- Actually, no. The Federalist Papers were the birth of modern liberalism. I mean, the entire point of them was "hey, guys, maybe making the government too small is a bad idea, there's a better way to do this"

[Jocabia]

And why do you wish not to register your firearms? What are you afraid of if you are a law-abiding gun owner?

The possibility of local agencies releasing said information, and thus unjustly making law abiding citizens a potential target for criminals and extremists perhaps?

What? That's unpossible! Why I heard that criminals know that you have a gun they avoid you because they know you'll stop them. They attack unarmed houses instead. You can't possibly be saying that's not true!

[Paddy O Fernature]

The possibility of local agencies releasing said information, and thus unjustly making law abiding citizens a potential target for criminals and extremists perhaps?

What? That's unpossible! Why I heard that criminals know that you have a gun they avoid you because they know you'll stop them. They attack unarmed houses instead. You can't possibly be saying that's not true!

There is a big difference between selective targeting off a choice list of collectables to steal from, and self defense. You would know this, if you would actually apply brainpower to critical thinking skills, instead of constantly trying to split hairs over misrepresentations of a viewpoint, like you constantly attempt to do.

I know, it's hard for you to believe this, but there actually are people willing to risk getting shot, who will specifically target large collections/stashes of firearms to resell on the black market. Remember, not everyone who owns a firearm, does so for the purpose of self defense.