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The poor are poor because....

Social Darwinism
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The Illuminati.
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Capitalism is a zero-sum game and I will explain why
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The government is spending too much money.
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They made the choice to fail in school.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:25 am

Vissegaard wrote:
Divair2 wrote:That's not social Darwinism. Social Darwinism is not about your own "kind", your own "clan", or your own family. It's simply survival of the fittest applied to politics. Nothing more. It was popular in the 19th century among colonial empires. Nowadays? Looked down upon by almost everyone above the age of 15.

I presume I am a one of my own kind. The thing you are speaking about is clearly asocial darwinism ;) .
And I guess I belong to the 19th century. The good old times, when everything ran naturally...

You don't get to redefine ideologies. Going full-on Nazi is just that, Nazism. Not social Darwinism.

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Postby Vissegaard » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:43 am

Divair2 wrote:
Vissegaard wrote:I presume I am a one of my own kind. The thing you are speaking about is clearly asocial darwinism ;) .
And I guess I belong to the 19th century. The good old times, when everything ran naturally...

You don't get to redefine ideologies. Going full-on Nazi is just that, Nazism. Not social Darwinism.

Thanks, gonna go fascist. I always liked corporate fascism...
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Postby Kampala- » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:50 am

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
Viritica wrote: :roll:

Is it not the nature of capitalism for a small group of people to hoard as much money as possible?


No, because wealth in capitalist countries has continually been rising for the past few decades.

You're thinking of communism, lad.
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Postby Nervium » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:53 am

Kampala- wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Is it not the nature of capitalism for a small group of people to hoard as much money as possible?


No, because wealth in capitalist countries has continually been rising for the past few decades.

You're thinking of communism, lad.


No, Fris is right on this one.

Communism a classless, stateless, moneyless society, buddy.
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Postby Brickistan » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:56 am

Kampala- wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Is it not the nature of capitalism for a small group of people to hoard as much money as possible?


No, because wealth in capitalist countries has continually been rising for the past few decades.

You're thinking of communism, lad.


How does having the means of production owned collectively by the workers result in a few hoarding all the money?

As for wealth, you're actually correct on that. Wealth has increased - just too bad that it's all gone to the one percent.
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:06 am

Bezombia wrote:This poll is awful, the OP is awful, this thread is awful.
I think your hurtful words are awful.

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:07 am

Shie wrote:
Bezombia wrote:This poll is awful, the OP is awful, this thread is awful.
I think your hurtful words are awful.


Just tellin' it like it is.
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Postby New Laikland » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:12 am

Poor people are poor because they don't have jobs. They don't have jobs because the minimum wage is high as balls.

There.

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:13 am

New Laikland wrote:Poor people are poor because they don't have jobs. They don't have jobs because the minimum wage is high as balls.

There.


And what about poor people who DO have jobs?
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Postby Greater-London » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:13 am

Brickistan wrote:
Wealth has increased - just too bad that it's all gone to the one percent.


See this is a myth that's continually repeated. Wealth has increased across the board, some people have made lots more money (that fabled 1%) and some have made modest amounts of money. Regardless people are richer and living standards have risen.

The gap between the top and the bottom only bothers me if those at the bottom don't have their basic needs met and and unable to live in a dignified way. There is nothing innately good about wealth equality/
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Postby New Laikland » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:13 am

Bezombia wrote:
And what about poor people who DO have jobs?


Define poor.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:15 am

New Laikland wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
And what about poor people who DO have jobs?


Define poor.

You can look at a country's poverty rate, most of them are set at reasonable levels, or take a measure of relative poverty.
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Postby Greater-London » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:15 am

New Laikland wrote:
Define poor.


People who are unable to afford the bare necessities. A roof over their head and food on a plate.
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:16 am

New Laikland wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
And what about poor people who DO have jobs?


Define poor.


You've got to be joking.

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Postby Duvniask » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:18 am

New Laikland wrote:Poor people are poor because they don't have jobs. They don't have jobs because the minimum wage is high as balls.

What does minimum wage have to do with that?
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Postby Shilya » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:29 am

Duvniask wrote:
New Laikland wrote:Poor people are poor because they don't have jobs. They don't have jobs because the minimum wage is high as balls.

What does minimum wage have to do with that?

According to people, if the minimum wage were lower, then work not profitable right now would become profitable again and you could hire more people.

Of course those people would still be poor at those wages, but nevermind that.
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Postby Nervium » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:37 am

Bezombia wrote:
New Laikland wrote:Poor people are poor because they don't have jobs. They don't have jobs because the minimum wage is high as balls.

There.


And what about poor people who DO have jobs?


Well, they aren't Übermenschen. *nods*
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Postby Tyriece » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:38 am

I explained this to you before.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:39 am

Bythibus wrote:
Viritica wrote:Some succeed. Others don't. It's not the fault of capitalism.

hahahahahahahhahahahhahahah that's cute. you're cute. in a bad way. you're the bad kind of cute because you're wrong. bad dog.

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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:40 am

Estormo wrote:
Viritica wrote:Well, yes, considering that I don't really see how being rich and successful is an inherently bad thing.

It is to them, though. They despise the rich due to an unholy jealousy because they aren't rich. So they waste their time and follow a system proven a failure.

Such is the way of communists/socialists.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:42 am

Universal Socialism wrote:
Viritica wrote:Well, yes, considering that I don't really see how being rich and successful is an inherently bad thing.

I think it depends on how they become rich. Many rich-people use cheap dirty tricks to get so high-up in the market (such as storing their money in off-shore bank accounts to avoid paying taxes, and hiring cheap foreign labor that they can under-pay).

And some (and by some I mean a lot) get rich through hard work.

Like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:45 am

Viritica wrote:
Universal Socialism wrote:I think it depends on how they become rich. Many rich-people use cheap dirty tricks to get so high-up in the market (such as storing their money in off-shore bank accounts to avoid paying taxes, and hiring cheap foreign labor that they can under-pay).

And some (and by some I mean a lot) get rich through hard work.

Like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.


Steve Jobs got rich through blind luck. Not to mention that he didn't invent a single thing in his life.

Bill Gates was a combination of blink luck and monopolizing with a dash of stealing other peoples' ideas.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:47 am

Bezombia wrote:
Viritica wrote:And some (and by some I mean a lot) get rich through hard work.

Like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.


Steve Jobs got rich through blind luck. Not to mention that he didn't invent a single thing in his life.

Bill Gates was a combination of blink luck and monopolizing with a dash of stealing other peoples' ideas.

Not to mention illegally selling to the communist bloc.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:48 am

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:There are poor people because there are rich people.

You must know a lot about economics.

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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:50 am

Bezombia wrote:
Viritica wrote:And some (and by some I mean a lot) get rich through hard work.

Like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.


Steve Jobs got rich through blind luck. Not to mention that he didn't invent a single thing in his life.

Bill Gates was a combination of blink luck and monopolizing with a dash of stealing other peoples' ideas.

1. That wasn't monopolizing, and certainly wasn't illegal.
2. He never stole anyone's ideas. Your own article says it was an IBM-branded version of the Microsoft DOS.

Either way, they both still worked hard to get to where they are now.
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