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The poor are poor because....

Social Darwinism
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The Illuminati.
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Capitalism is a zero-sum game and I will explain why
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The government is spending too much money.
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They made the choice to fail in school.
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Postby Sanguinea » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:12 am

Estormo wrote:
Sanguinea wrote:Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

I presume you only hate the rich due to jealousy.

I presume you only hate rapists due to jealousy.
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Postby Estormo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:14 am

Sanguinea wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I don't believe Sanguinea is a communist, so mentioning that is rather redundant.

Indeed, I'm not a communist, I'm a market syndicalist.

Viritica wrote:Yes, yes, rich people are evil. Blah blah blah. We get it.

Yes, if you feel the need to make such a reductionist view of my beliefs, sure, deal with it on the terms of your intellectual maturity, which isn't very high I might add. I don't single handedly blame "the rich" for societies problems, their are plenty among the proletariat who knowingly perpetuate the corruption as well.

The only reason you hate rich people is because you, in fact, aren't.
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Postby Estormo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:15 am

Sanguinea wrote:
Estormo wrote:I presume you only hate the rich due to jealousy.

I presume you only hate rapists due to jealousy.

Rich people are not rapists. Your argument is baseless, you're only mad because you can't have the luxury they have.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:16 am

Sanguinea wrote:
Estormo wrote:I presume you only hate the rich due to jealousy.

I presume you only hate rapists due to jealousy.

Great argument.

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Sanguinea
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Postby Sanguinea » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:18 am

Estormo wrote:
Sanguinea wrote:Indeed, I'm not a communist, I'm a market syndicalist.


Yes, if you feel the need to make such a reductionist view of my beliefs, sure, deal with it on the terms of your intellectual maturity, which isn't very high I might add. I don't single handedly blame "the rich" for societies problems, their are plenty among the proletariat who knowingly perpetuate the corruption as well.

The only reason you hate rich people is because you, in fact, aren't.

In comparison with much of the world you and I would be considered rich, I have no need to envy the degenerate extravagance of the upper echelons of the bourgeoisie.

Estormo wrote:
Sanguinea wrote:I presume you only hate rapists due to jealousy.

Rich people are not rapists.

That...wasn't...the point. You use a childish argument, I can through it back at you to prove its utter stupidity.
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:19 am

Viritica wrote:
Sanguinea wrote:Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

Yes, yes, rich people are evil. Blah blah blah. We get it.

I don't know what Sanguinea thinks, but the point communists make has never been that the bourgeoisie are just "evil for the lulz", and presenting it as such is snide.The bourgeoisie are not really free in their doing of "evil" acts, because it's required of them if they're to survive in the market.
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Postby Sanguinea » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:25 am

Estormo wrote:
Sanguinea wrote:I presume you only hate rapists due to jealousy.

Rich people are not rapists. Your argument is baseless, you're only mad because you can't have the luxury they have.

I like how that is the capitalists only rebuff to criticism of their beloved bourgeois, "a dur u must b a gelis!". Do you have anything else, an actual argument?
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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:36 am

Sanguinea wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I don't believe Sanguinea is a communist, so mentioning that is rather redundant.

Indeed, I'm not a communist, I'm a market syndicalist.

Viritica wrote:Yes, yes, rich people are evil. Blah blah blah. We get it.

Yes, if you feel the need to make such a reductionist view of my beliefs, sure, deal with it on the terms of your intellectual maturity, which isn't very high I might add. I don't single handedly blame "the rich" for societies problems, their are plenty among the proletariat who knowingly perpetuate the corruption as well.

There are always going to be rich people. There are always going to be those who are more well off than others. There's nothing inherently wrong with this.

Capitalism is far better than communism. At least capitalism actually works.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:37 am

Duvniask wrote:
Viritica wrote:Yes, yes, rich people are evil. Blah blah blah. We get it.

I don't know what Sanguinea thinks, but the point communists make has never been that the bourgeoisie are just "evil for the lulz", and presenting it as such is snide.The bourgeoisie are not really free in their doing of "evil" acts, because it's required of them if they're to survive in the market.

Evil acts such as...
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:37 am

Viritica wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I don't know what Sanguinea thinks, but the point communists make has never been that the bourgeoisie are just "evil for the lulz", and presenting it as such is snide.The bourgeoisie are not really free in their doing of "evil" acts, because it's required of them if they're to survive in the market.

Evil acts such as...

Such as, pause for effect... Buying Things!

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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:38 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Viritica wrote:Evil acts such as...

Such as, pause for effect... Buying Things!

THE HORROR.
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Postby Vissegaard » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:40 am

Viritica wrote:Capitalism is far better than communism. At least capitalism actually works.

This. :clap:
Communism is just pointless hassling.
Poor are poor, becuase we need some motivation for the people to keep the whole society running.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:41 am

Shie wrote:I don't understand why there are poor people in the United States of America.


Because the presence of a large reservoir of low-income labour providers is essential for the functioning of the capitalist system.
Just like the presence of a large reservoir of low-temperature fluid is essential for the functioning of a thermal engine.
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Postby Vissegaard » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:43 am

Sanguinea wrote:
Estormo wrote:The only reason you hate rich people is because you, in fact, aren't.

In comparison with much of the world you and I would be considered rich, I have no need to envy the degenerate extravagance of the upper echelons of the bourgeoisie.

Estormo wrote:Rich people are not rapists.

That...wasn't...the point. You use a childish argument, I can through it back at you to prove its utter stupidity.

No, that´s what you are actually using. Estormo wins here.
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Postby Estormo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:45 am

Sanguinea wrote:
Estormo wrote:The only reason you hate rich people is because you, in fact, aren't.

In comparison with much of the world you and I would be considered rich, I have no need to envy the degenerate extravagance of the upper echelons of the bourgeoisie.

Estormo wrote:Rich people are not rapists.

That...wasn't...the point. You use a childish argument, I can through it back at you to prove its utter stupidity.

Your entire ideology is utter stupidity.
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:45 am

Viritica wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I don't know what Sanguinea thinks, but the point communists make has never been that the bourgeoisie are just "evil for the lulz", and presenting it as such is snide.The bourgeoisie are not really free in their doing of "evil" acts, because it's required of them if they're to survive in the market.

Evil acts such as...

Do I really need to spell this shit out for you like it's been done a million times already?
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Postby Estormo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:46 am

Vissegaard wrote:
Viritica wrote:Capitalism is far better than communism. At least capitalism actually works.

This. :clap:
Communism is just pointless hassling.
Poor are poor, becuase we need some motivation for the people to keep the whole society running.

Exactly !
Communism goes against human nature, in general.
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Postby Pilotto » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:46 am

Vissegaard wrote:
Viritica wrote:Capitalism is far better than communism. At least capitalism actually works.

This. :clap:
Communism is just pointless hassling.
Poor are poor, becuase we need some motivation for the people to keep the whole society running.

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Postby Estormo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:47 am

Duvniask wrote:
Viritica wrote:Yes, yes, rich people are evil. Blah blah blah. We get it.

I don't know what Sanguinea thinks, but the point communists make has never been that the bourgeoisie are just "evil for the lulz", and presenting it as such is snide.The bourgeoisie are not really free in their doing of "evil" acts, because it's required of them if they're to survive in the market.

Oh noez ! Not the bourgeoisie !
They have more money than me, so I am going to throw a fit and try to start a revolution ! I am so edgy.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:47 am

Duvniask wrote:
Viritica wrote:Evil acts such as...

Do I really need to spell this shit out for you like it's been done a million times already?

Well, yes, considering that I don't really see how being rich and successful is an inherently bad thing.
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Postby Bythibus » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:48 am

Viritica wrote:Some succeed. Others don't. It's not the fault of capitalism.

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Postby Estormo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:48 am

Viritica wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Do I really need to spell this shit out for you like it's been done a million times already?

Well, yes, considering that I don't really see how being rich and successful is an inherently bad thing.

It is to them, though. They despise the rich due to an unholy jealousy because they aren't rich. So they waste their time and follow a system proven a failure.
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:49 am

This poll is awful, the OP is awful, this thread is awful.
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:50 am

Estormo wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I don't know what Sanguinea thinks, but the point communists make has never been that the bourgeoisie are just "evil for the lulz", and presenting it as such is snide.The bourgeoisie are not really free in their doing of "evil" acts, because it's required of them if they're to survive in the market.

Oh noez ! Not the bourgeoisie !
They have more money than me, so I am going to throw a fit and try to start a revolution ! I am so edgy.

You could actually read what was said and stop acting like an arrogant child.
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Postby Estormo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:50 am

40 Communists without a worthy argument. Delightful.
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