Wage Slavery? The poor are poor because....

[Shnercropolis]

There's no true Scotsman, you know.

Most unions don't have representation within the company. It's what German law requires, but we aren't talking about Germany.

It's still there sometimes. And that means there are elements of socialism in our economy.

[Geilinor]

Most unions don't have representation within the company. It's what German law requires, but we aren't talking about Germany.

It's still there sometimes. And that means there are elements of socialism in our economy.

What's the problem if the company is fine with the union having a say in the management?

[Cyyro]

So Education and healthcare can be increased, I don't know about the sex part...free condoms? As for drugs, well, legalize them I guess. Not sure if that would lower usage though.

Unprotected sex is common amongst teens in these areas, and a teen can't support a child. Schools need better sex education, and instead of teaching about how bad sex is, schools should instead tell kids that they need to use protection if they do decide to have sex.

Drugs should be decriminalized, and people who do use drugs should be sent to rehab, not jail. We also need more programs to teach about the dangers of hard drugs.

Sounds great. Sure taxes will go up, but it's definetly worth it.

[Duvniask]

A pretty bad one at that.

Well he wasn't in the sense that he failed to create a classless stateless society - although I don't doubt that was his ambition.

Don't you mean "was"?

In practical terms though it takes time to implement you have to 'go through socialism' and all that jazz.

Which neither he nor his followers did much to live up to, as evidenced by their recreation of capitalism in a parody-like form of degeneracy.

[Shnercropolis]

It's still there sometimes. And that means there are elements of socialism in our economy.

What's the problem if the company is fine with the union having a say in the management?

there's no problem, but it is a misconception that there are any purely capitalist modern economies.

[Sanguinea]

Capitalism of any sort isn't "good", it is one of the main problems. It is incompatible with a morally just society and must be destroyed in all of its forms.

nah

capitalism creates wealth and prosperity. that's why north America and Europe are more prosperous than the former USSR and communist china. no one wants to go back to the days of a stupidly controlled economy.

but capitalism has severe problems associated with it that must be mitigated so that the majority of people can enjoy the prosperity. otherwise, as you said above, the rich get much richer while the poor get much poorer.

Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

[Divair2]

There are poor people because there are rich people.

Yup, pretty much.

[Estormo]

The poor are poor for these reason -
- Birth
- Unemployment
- Living off of the government
- Gambling
- Bad decisions
- Stupidity

[Estormo]

Blaming the rich for what someone does to themselves is absolutely pointless.

[Estormo]

It is the nature of capitalism, to keep wealth concentrated in the hands of a small elite, and to continually impoverish an increasing number of people outside that elite.

You believe in an unrealistic political system, therefore your opinions are irrelevant.

[Estormo]

nah

capitalism creates wealth and prosperity. that's why north America and Europe are more prosperous than the former USSR and communist china. no one wants to go back to the days of a stupidly controlled economy.

but capitalism has severe problems associated with it that must be mitigated so that the majority of people can enjoy the prosperity. otherwise, as you said above, the rich get much richer while the poor get much poorer.

Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

Communism can only work in a tiny population.

[Orranis]

Capitalism is not the problem, the wealth is definitely not held between an elite group. It is very simple, Capitalism is basically work to make money and save up. On the otherhand, socialism or a various other type takes all of your income and disperses it "Fairly" to the people, just look at china who are the elite wealthy there? I only see the government officials, while in America, the low middle class and above can afford to eat good meals and afford basic needs

[Divair2]

It is obvious. When we have a world with ever increasing disparity of wealth between social classes.

Those problems can be mitigated. We don't need to abolish capitalism to fix them.

Which is social democracy's goal.

[The New Communist Order]

Capitalism is usually the first economic system a new country uses. If they didn't then how would the government make money in the first place...? So Capitalism is obviously not the problem here for starters. There are a number of reasons why some people are poor and some are rich but in Capitalism everyone has the oppurtunity to become rich if they earn it.

[Regenburg]

It is the nature of capitalism, to keep wealth concentrated in the hands of a small elite, and to continually impoverish an increasing number of people outside that elite.

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[The Grim Reaper]

Actually it IS relevant, because if you're the same class as your parents then class is hereditary and not based on merit.

There is nothing wrong with inheriting money and other things from people who have earned it if they choose to give it to you.

Isn't being given things based on your family the complete antithesis of capitalism "earning things for yourself, no born advantage"?

[Duvniask]

Capitalism is not the problem, the wealth is definitely not held between an elite group. It is very simple, Capitalism is basically work to make money and save up. On the otherhand, socialism or a various other type takes all of your income and disperses it "Fairly" to the people, just look at chinawho are the elite wealthy there? I only see the government officials, while in America, the low middle class and above can afford to eat good meals and afford basic needs

All this shows us is that you lack understanding of what socialists actually advocate, and China is obviously capitalist to anyone with observance.

[Duvniask]

Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

Communism can only work in a tiny population.

I don't believe Sanguinea is a communist, so mentioning that is rather redundant.

[Ashmoria]

Poor people are poor because they choose to make stupid decisions on their budgets and all they can do about it is blame the rich for their downfall. 7.50 USD an hour is not enough to support yourself even less if you are a single parent with others who cannot work counting on you to bring food to the dinner table and those who work for minimum wage at that situation should consider how to keep from working minimum wage.

you haven't thought this through.

start with WHO are "the poor".

children who are too young to work, elderly too old to work, the sick and disabled. that is the great majority of the poor. your advice is useless for them.

have you considered that we have been in economic distress for 6 years and there are families where both parents used to have good jobs but now all they can find is a minimum wage job? they think every day about how to make more but that's pretty hard to do with unemployment being so high.

what percentage of the poor is your advice useful for?

[Viritica]

nah

capitalism creates wealth and prosperity. that's why north America and Europe are more prosperous than the former USSR and communist china. no one wants to go back to the days of a stupidly controlled economy.

but capitalism has severe problems associated with it that must be mitigated so that the majority of people can enjoy the prosperity. otherwise, as you said above, the rich get much richer while the poor get much poorer.

Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

Yes, yes, rich people are evil. Blah blah blah. We get it.

[The Sotoan Union]

There are poor people in the US because their are poor people in every society in history. But what if I told you that not only are there relatively few poor people, but that they still have much more than poor people in other countries?

[Estormo]

It is the nature of capitalism, to keep wealth concentrated in the hands of a small elite, and to continually impoverish an increasing number of people outside that elite.

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No, not that.

[Estormo]

nah

capitalism creates wealth and prosperity. that's why north America and Europe are more prosperous than the former USSR and communist china. no one wants to go back to the days of a stupidly controlled economy.

but capitalism has severe problems associated with it that must be mitigated so that the majority of people can enjoy the prosperity. otherwise, as you said above, the rich get much richer while the poor get much poorer.

Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

I presume you only hate the rich due to jealousy.

[Sanguinea]

Communism can only work in a tiny population.

I don't believe Sanguinea is a communist, so mentioning that is rather redundant.

Indeed, I'm not a communist, I'm a market syndicalist.

Yes, Capitalism creates "wealth and prosperity", but for a very small portion of society. It perpetuates a cycles of exploitation and amorality that intensifies with each passing year. Capitalism cannot be "fixed", because its nature is predatory, it feeds on the wealth of the masses and funnels it to the ethically bankrupt financial class.

Yes, yes, rich people are evil. Blah blah blah. We get it.

Yes, if you feel the need to make such a reductionist view of my beliefs, sure, deal with it on the terms of your intellectual maturity, which isn't very high I might add. I don't single handedly blame "the rich" for societies problems, their are plenty among the proletariat who knowingly perpetuate the corruption as well.

[The Sotoan Union]

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No, not that.

Yeah that is quite the opposite of capitalism. Feudalism maybe.